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Charcoal Question
From what I can determine, eggers almost all use lump charcoal. As a new egger, I'm using it too, but before my egg, I used brickettes (Kingsford). In fact, I preferred it over lump. I am curious to know if any of you out there use Kingsford in your egg, or is the lump a sacred part of using the egg? I know lump makes less ash, etc., etc., but a little more ash shouldn't keep an egger from using brickettes -- at least part of the time. I'd be interested in hearing some comments on this question please.
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Chuck/Tx,
i'd honestly use it if there were a reason put forth as to why it might be better...[p]but (and i have never used it, so i'm only going by consensus), my understanding is that briquettes don't burn as hot (lump is pure carbon), and they take longer to get to cook temps. there's much morwe ash (bad for overnights) and i don't believe they last as long in equal amounts.[p]aren't briquettes lump ground and extended with inert materials? [p]
ed egli avea del cul fatto trombetta -Dante -
Chuck/Tx,[p]I think the biggest difference is that it's not a little bit of ash. It's an enormous difference in ash production.
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Chuck/Tx,
When I first got my egg I had a partial bag of Kingsford left and used it for a few cooks once my initial bag of lump was used up. Worked fine for a short hot cook but there was very little leftover after the cook was over to reuse for the next time. Also there is probably 5 to 10 times more ash production so you will have to clean the ash out of not only the base but all around after nearly every cook. I think it might clog up all the vent holes for a long cook way before the meat was done but I haven't ever tried that. It won't damage your egg to use the briquettes just a lot more work. Not worth any cost difference IMHO.[p]BTG
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Chuck/Tx,[p]Your egg controls heat by regulating the amount of oxygen available for the fire to use. You can close both vents and the fire will go out allowing a restart and use of the lump at a later date. Very hard to do with briquettes.[p]Briquettes are lump charcoal dust mixed with lots of inert ingredients. Lump charcoal starts with a few seconds of a torch, briquettes require a smelly starter fluid.[p]Lump charcoal burns much cleaner than briquettes and can be controlled over a much larger heat range (especially higher heat).[p]Things work diferently in the egg than with an open cooker. Lump is just better in all areas of use.[p]Spin
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Briquettes do not burn as hot and they have more ash. They also contain fillers which some claim may have health issues. Also I think the BGE warranty prohibits burning briquettes. I don't know why or how they would know if you did though.
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Chuck/Tx,[p] Briquettes are formed with fillers such as glue etc... lump is 100% pure hardwood preburned to convert it to pure carbon, and will burn at a more consistent temp for longer periods of time. When you put it out by shutting down your egg, you can relight it later for less waste, literally using 100% of the product.
It does not bring any foul flavors to the fire such as briquettes so that alone ought to be enough reason to convert to lump. [p]Don't be an oddball, burn lump be happy!
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Chuck/Tx,[p]I would never use briquettes in my eggs based on all the junk that goes into making them (as the fine folks below have stated).[p]You can get lump at BBQ Outfitters (Ozark Oak) or you can find B&B at HEB, Central Market and Shell Station (Hill Country Market) on 71 just west of 620. Lowe's sells Cowboy Lump, and Whole Foods sells their brand plus you can get Picnic Eco-Start there.[p]Cheers,[p]GM
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Spin, I saw a TV show on how brickettes are made just yesterday. They said it is chared sawdust, mixed with coal, thus charcoal. To form brickettes, they mix in water to make a slurry, then form the brickettes. I've always started it in a charcoal chimney, using a couple of sheets of newspaper in the bottom to avoid using liquid starter. I also have a weed burner which makes for a fast start; that's what I'm using to start my lump in the egg. I can see how the amount of ash would be a problem for long cooks. I might try using briskettes for short cooks a time or two, however, just to make the comparison for myself. Anyway, I appreciate the comments from everyone. Cheers.
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Chuck/Tx,
Funny you should ask the question. There was a repeat program on TV yesterday (one of those how do they do that shows) that explained the manufacture and use of charcoal. Kingsford was the product. It told how Henry Ford with help from Thomas Edison created briquettes using coal powder/dust as the adhesive to hold the compressed charcoal together. About 90% of the briquettes being sold today use coal (that's right - from the ground) to make the charcoal stick together. [p]You can actually smell the coal when it is burning and it smells an awful lot like an old steel mill. The remaining briquettes on the market are compressed with a fine clay material to help bind it together. There is at least one brand that compresses only the pure charcoal. They gave out sample bags at the Texas Eggfest a couple of years ago. I used it and it works but not as well as pure lump charcoal in my opinion.[p]From a flavor standpoint, I don't cotton to tasting coal or clay in my food. [p]From a cleanup standpoint, with regular lump I only have to clean out my ash pit about four times a year. With briquettes I would have to do it a LOT more frequently as evidenced by the ash left over in a typical charcoal BBQ pit.[p]I say use what makes you feel good.[p]Hope this helps.[p]Spring “Just Call Me Lumpy” Chicken
Spring Texas USA[p]
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Chuck/Tx,[p]Another thing to consider is that briquettes have much less fuel per pound. A long cook could very well run out of fuel before the end of the cook.[p]I personally use Royal Oak lump charcoal. It burns very clean and imparts very little raste to the foods cooked,[p]Spin
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Spring Chicken, You stated: "From a cleanup standpoint, with regular lump I only have to clean out my ash pit about four times a year"[p]No 'foolin? How much do you cook? Doesn't the pile of ash that builds up diminish your airflow? Or, do you just continually push the ash to the rear through the bottom vent door?[p]Guess I have been a bit anal in my ash cleaning chores.
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GrillMeister, thank you for the list of sources. I rarely go north on 620 past BBQ Outfitters and was dreading a special trip every time I need charcoal. I go to HEB, and drive right past Lowe's, all the time. So, these will be very convenient locations. Personally, I don't buy the common argument we hear all the time about brickettes having stuff that causes a bad taste or that is bad for you. But, there is no question about lump having less ash and starting/restarting a little easier, so I'll get onboard with everyone else and use lump. Thanks Ed, and everyone else that answered my quesiton. Sure appreciate this forum.
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Chuck/Tx,
Don't overlook Picnic at Brooksire's. Get the lump not the briquettes. It comes in 3 kilo bags, but is cheap, highly rated by the whiz and works great for me. [p]Also, check the Whiz's database on charcoal. He has performed his brand of science on the briquettes and has the results posted on his site.[p]Ed
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meinbmw,
No, there's just not that much ash created. Let me take that back. Some lumps create more ash than others but if I use the BGE lump (which I prefer) I don't have a problem with ash buildup. Some of it isn't actually ash in the pit. Sometimes it's more like small pieces of lump that falls through the grate when I stir it. That's when I'm using some of the other types of lump. Even so, I still don't have a problem with ash using lump charcoal.[p]I cook a lot too. In fact, I probably cook a little more than the average Egghead. And I occasionally do 18 to 24 hour low and slow cooks. [p]If you feel you need to clean your ash pit on a frequent basis, make yourself a metal thingie that you can rake your ash onto every now and then and dump in the trash. Here's a photo of the one I made for mine using some flashing left over from a project.[p]
[p]Just snip, cup and fold. It just sits there but when I need to rake out some ash, it turns into sort of a dust pan. Easy and works great.[p]I suppose it also catches a stray hot ember every now and then but I don't have that problem.[p]Spring "Hauling Ash" Chicken[p][p]
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Chuck/Tx,[p]HEB carry's B&B seaonally, so the Hill Country Market is the place to get it. They charge $10.99 for a 20 lb. bag, but it's worth it for the convenience. Just turn right on 71 from 620 and head up and over the hill and they are on the right side next to Papa Joes Pizza across from the Lakeway Baseball Diamonds. They also have B&B Mesquite which is great for briskets & steaks.[p]Cheers,[p]GM
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Spring Chicken, I saw the charcoal thing on TV also, and have read several times how charcoal is made by looking it up on the internet. As you know, there are millions of people out there that like the taste of food cooked over brickettes -- me included -- but you guys have presuaded me I should use lump in my egg. Hard-headed as I am, I can't disagree with the advantages of having less ash, faster starts, and hotter coals.
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Spring Chicken,
Thanks for the input ... gotta make me an ash catcher for sure. DUH ... why didn't I think of that? Guess that's why they pay you the big money, huh?
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GrillMeister, I know right where they are. I've stopped there on the way to the lake to buy gas and ice.
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Spring Chicken, thanks for a chuckle. Like your ash pan, and LMAO when I read your signature, Spring "Haulin Ash" Chicken. Nothing is better than a good sense of humor, not even pulled pork. Well, maybe not as good as pulled pork, but you know what I mean.
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EdinTX, we don't have a Brookshire's around here that I know of. But will look at the Whiz's database. Thanks for the suggestions.
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Chuck/Tx,
Well, there's S-E-X.[p]Spring "Henhouse Playboy" Chicken
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meinbmw,
Yep... You got it. I spend my days trying to route the armored car to my bank. Too bad it's Cajun money.[p]Spring "Rolling In Deaux" Chicken
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Chuck/Tx,[p]Here's the bottom line. Charcoal's burn is "self regulating" that is, the compacted fuel burns at a slow, steady rate no matter how much oxygen is available to it. That's why you're able to grill consistantly on an open grill without burning everything up. But charcoal also creates a huge amount of ash and volatiles which choke out the fire. That usually isn't an issue for cooking up a few burgers.[p]But, if you use charcoal in a ceramic cooker or even a water smoker for a low and slow, you're likely to have your fire go out halfway through the cook due to the ash problem. Also, you will be exposing your meat to the unhealthy volatiles for a much longer period of time than you would for a burger cook. You'll end up with a film of creosote-like material in your cooker. You'll never be able to reach the TRex type temperatures needed for good steak sear. Lump burns much faster and is controlled by the vents on your cooker.[p]If you want traditional grilled burgers with that "charcoal" flavor, I guess you could use charcoal in a ceramic, but you'd need to leave the lid up and clean the unit out well afterwards. Better to just use lump and close the lid, IMHO. NEVER use charcoal for a low and slow in a ceramic though! Blasphemy.
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Spring Chicken,
Actually, there are several brands out there that use starch as a binder, including Maple Leaf. The only ingredients are the charcoal and the starch.[p]TNW
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Chuck/Tx,
Kingsford contains many more ingredients than just coal and wood char. Borax, limestone, brown coal, sodium nitrate, starch and sawdust. (This is from Kingsford themselves.) If I were going to burn briquettes it wouldn't be Kingsford.[p]TNW
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Chuck/Tx,[p]My wife used to say that she liked the flavor from briquettes. She associated it with being grilled outside (like her father used to do). [p]A year or so ago we were a friends house for a cookout and she later commented (to me only) about the weird flavor of the steaks (cooked over briquettes). She said they had a gasoline-like aftertaste. No lighter fluid was used to my knowledge, but briquettes do give food a different flavor. [p]Now my wife is a lump charcoal snob like many of us here![p]Smokey
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Chuck/Tx,[p]Well this topic has been covered well. All I can add is why not use Lump?
1. Burns longer.....heck I had a hard time doing dogs on a (sorry to admit it) Weber this week end with brickettes.
2. Lump adds flavor.....try different brands.
3. You can re-use lump..saves $$$$$ for more eggs.
4. Not much $$ difference...20lbs Royal Oak $10 at Gordons.
5. Low and slow....Try it on brickettes an you will be up all night!! [p]Just my opinion though.
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Chuck/Tx,[p]The ingredients in most briquettes contain materials that could be bad for you Especially Kingsford. [p]We did a little taste test with a group of 18 people in March while trying to make a point. One person out of the group chose the briquettes on hot dogs, 2 people on wings and zero people on shrimp...
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Chuck/Tx,
After using lump for awhile I tried to go back cause I thought how good the briquettes smelled. Ha, could not do it. What I was used to enjoy now seemed, Ugggggggggggg.[p]To each their own, we all have different taste and need to be true to ourselves.[p]Welcome,
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