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Cutting your own Wood for smoking...

KiterTodd
KiterTodd Posts: 2,466
edited November 2015 in EggHead Forum
I'm one of the many that go down to Home Depot and pay $8 for a small bag of wood chunks when I have a forest of trees behind me.  I'm feeling more and more like an idiot for doing so, but I don't use the wood too fast and I know what I'm getting. So that's how I justify it...

...but I know it's silly.  Wood is wood and if I cut it myself I know it's fresh and untampered with.

Any tips you can give on what I'm sure is a very basic task for many of you would help.

-Do you have to let it season/dry a year or can you use it right away?
-Does it get old or can I use it as long as it hasn't started to rot or collect insects?
-Do I keep the bark on or knock it off?
-I have wild (non fruit bearing) cherry trees. Are those the same as the "cherry" wood in the store or is that from fruit bearing trees?

The trees behind me tend to be heavy with Oak, Poplar, Cherry, some black Walnut and a lot of fast growing junk small growth.  I'm guessing I should go for the Oak.  And maybe the Cherry.

Open to any tips.  Thanks! 
LBGE/Maryland
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  • Darby_Crenshaw
    Darby_Crenshaw Posts: 2,657
    edited November 2015
    Use it right away or season it

    use it with or without bark

    don't uae wet, punky, rotting, moldy, or insect-riddled wood

    i don't buy wood unless it is something I don't get around here as deadfall 

    i have to order guava, pecan, etc

    only stuff i buy around here (other than mail order exotics) is an occasional bunch of cedar shingles, underlayment grade (knots, etc.).  I use that for crapentry (yes, crappy carpentry) around here and the leftovers go for planked salmon, etc.  You can also buy cherry, walnut, etc sometimes as lumber
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  • KiterTodd
    KiterTodd Posts: 2,466
    Can I use that wild Cherry?  (flowering, no fruit)
    LBGE/Maryland
  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    edited November 2015
    There's this one guy I know who uses hickory BARK! ;) I still haven't tried that. 

    To that same guy, I found pecan chunks in my local CT Home Depot. Don't know if that was a fluke, haven't checked since. Try yours, maybe NE is enlightened now. 

    Yes, use the cherry. I wouldn't use poplar or walnut though. 

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • gdenby
    gdenby Posts: 6,239
    edited November 2015
    You can use it right away, but "green" wood is at least 50% water by weight. It will make lots of steam, which might promote creosote formation in the Egg at lower temperature cooks.

    I shy away from bark. Not entirely rational, but if there is going to be fungus or lichens, that seems to be most likely where they grow.

    Cherry, and some other woods, can have cyanide in them, and from what I've read, that will be in the bark, to prevent bugs eating into the tree. They will have to eat poison first. I'd suggest stripping the bark. The wood will be fine.

    If you are cutting your own from a large supply, why not be picky?

    Black walnut wood tends to have a "heavy" taste smoke. Sort of bitter, perhaps from the juglans herbicide the tree produces to stifle other plants nearby.
    n in the wood.

    Poplar and other soft "hardwoods" don't have a lot of lignin, mostly cellulose and hemi-cellulose. I've tried poplar and box elder (the softest maple) and did not care for the flavor. Vaguely like burnt toast, not fire spice.
  • RRP
    RRP Posts: 26,453
    There's this one guy I know who uses hickory BARK! ;) I still haven't tried that. 

    To that same guy, I found pecan chunks in my local CT Home Depot. Don't know if that was a fluke, haven't checked since. Try yours, maybe NE is enlightened now. 

    Yes, use the cherry. I wouldn't use poplar or walnut though. 
    A few years back I sent that "same guy" a long article about people using that shag bark from the hickories to boil it to make shag bark hickory tea which supposedly is very delicious. Don't think he ever tried it though.
    Re-gasketing the USA one yard at a time 
  • RRP
    RRP Posts: 26,453
    edited November 2015
    I'm still cutting slabs off this piece of hickory trunk that I've had for some time.


    I then split them into chunks.

    Re-gasketing the USA one yard at a time 
  • Shag bark is fantastic. If i had one wood, that'd be it. Sweetest woodsmoke I have found. Fishless may be the guy you teo are talking about ;). He uses it too

    lichen isn't a negative. Mold is though 





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  • GATraveller
    GATraveller Posts: 8,207
    I get pecan and peach wood from my in laws property all the time. I pretty much use it as soon as I get it. No need to season and I shave off the bark. 

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  • Jeremiah
    Jeremiah Posts: 6,412
    KiterTodd said:
    Can I use that wild Cherry?  (flowering, no fruit)
    @KiterTodd I've got a good bit set aside that I've been holding on to for a hopeful stick burner. Your welcome to come get some!
    Slumming it in Aiken, SC. 
  • berndcrisp
    berndcrisp Posts: 1,166

    Peach, pear, pecan, apple, grape vines and some avacado are native smoking fare here in Waghbache, NC.

    Aging not required. (I'm old enough).

     Get the amount you need from your stash, slice (anyway you choose) 1-2" thick, shave the bark and smolder them chunks!

    Grape vines'; just twist them up.

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  • NPHuskerFL
    NPHuskerFL Posts: 17,629
    Have a buddy in GA that used to use pecan shells. I can't imagine that being a great flavor but, maybe. I've used trimmings from our Oaks, Cherry and Orange trees. No different than bag-o-wood and I just let it dry out some before I used it. 
    LBGE 2013 & MM 2014
    Die Hard HUSKER & BRONCO FAN
    Flying Low & Slow in "Da Burg" FL
  • RRP
    RRP Posts: 26,453
    edited November 2015
    Have a buddy in GA that used to use pecan shells. I can't imagine that being a great flavor but, maybe. I've used trimmings from our Oaks, Cherry and Orange trees. No different than bag-o-wood and I just let it dry out some before I used it. 
    Many times I have collected the hickory nuts that our trees drop by the bucket fulls some years. They are hard as wood and burn the same way...the nut meat is minimal so I leave them whole. The only draw back is storing them can be a problem. If outside they must be in a dry area, but squirrels will raid when they want an easy meal. If stored in the garage they can become wormy and attract mice. But otherwise throwing 3 or 4 handfuls of free hickory albeit in nuts works for me! 
    Re-gasketing the USA one yard at a time 
  • NPHuskerFL
    NPHuskerFL Posts: 17,629
    @RRP Just spoke to him. He stopped because a couple of them were rotting and uggh no bueno flavor. 
    LBGE 2013 & MM 2014
    Die Hard HUSKER & BRONCO FAN
    Flying Low & Slow in "Da Burg" FL
  • KiterTodd
    KiterTodd Posts: 2,466
    Good stuff.   It sounds like there are no big mistakes as long as I avoid pine (obviously) and the walnut.  Best bets being the oak and cherry.  Appreciate all the feedback.  :plus_one: 
    LBGE/Maryland
  • Randall_Lee
    Randall_Lee Posts: 158
    edited November 2015
    I get some hickory, pecan from the tree trimming in the hood. Take the 3-5" stuff and cut into 2" pucks, bigger stuff slit then chop. Under 2" seems to young and doesn't smoke that well. 
    Once cut up that size it ages pretty good in 6-8 months if you keep it dry. Got some plum aging now will try that this spring.
    Niceville, Fl
  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    KiterTodd said:
    Good stuff.   It sounds like there are no big mistakes as long as I avoid pine (obviously) and the walnut.  Best bets being the oak and cherry.  Appreciate all the feedback.  :plus_one: 
    I read somewhere that  Sweet Gum is AWFUL!! I always thought of it as junk wood so I never even thought of using it to smoke. Tons of it where I grew up, not so much in CT.

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    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • Re: pine

    Soft woods are used with many German hams. Juniper especially. Softer than pine, is the secret to a really fine german smoked ham

    and cedar too, with salmon, is common

    any wood is good as long as it is paired well with the protein. And kept from being bitter. 
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  • bought an apple tree from a guy for $40 cash. It was dead and on the ground. Cut up with my chainsaw, and have a 5 year supply to smoke with. I cut into smaller pieces on my bandsaw, but like using it with the bark still intact.  Awesome smoke flavor on the XL.
  • Jeepster47
    Jeepster47 Posts: 3,827
    Because of the oil on the blade of a chain saw, I don't use one to cut the individual chunks. 

    A large toothed blade in my recip saw quickly reduces logs to smoke chunk lengths.  They cure faster when reduced to ready-to-go-in-the-egg size chunks. Got to come up with a better way to hold the logs in place though while cutting into chunk size lengths.

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  • RRP
    RRP Posts: 26,453
    Because of the oil on the blade of a chain saw, I don't use one to cut the individual chunks. 

    A large toothed blade in my recip saw quickly reduces logs to smoke chunk lengths.  They cure faster when reduced to ready-to-go-in-the-egg size chunks. Got to come up with a better way to hold the logs in place though while cutting into chunk size lengths.
    I got ridiculed years ago about saying the very same thing! The person who will remain nameless here pointed out that chain saw bar oil is not petroleum but vegetable. You might take a look.   
    Re-gasketing the USA one yard at a time 
  • Jeepster47
    Jeepster47 Posts: 3,827
    @RRP ... traditional chainsaw bar lubricant is a petroleum based lube.  There are some newer vegetable based lubricants available.  Checked the Stihl database and they sell four different oils ... only one is non-petroleum based.

    Since my chain saw is from the late 1970's, it's well lubricated with the old stuff. 

    Washington, IL  >  Queen Creek, AZ ... Two large eggs and an adopted Mini Max

  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,580
    if you find a shagbark hickory you struck gold, i have 6 trees found now =) i found a small post oak on a conservation site, no idea how it got there, it doesnt belong there, i think a snow plow is going to take it down ;)  maple is a good choice if you have it as well, i usually chip that up small
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • GATraveller
    GATraveller Posts: 8,207
    How about Hemlock?   :)

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  • Pecan for me and lots of it, the limbs get so brittle and will fall off the established trees in a brisk breeze. I haven't needed to cut anything else in years.

    I would imagine the flavor profiles that we have come to associate with certain bbq regions has a lot to do with what trees are native to the area and are readily available. Maybe not as much as the sauce itself but a close second?
    LBGE 2015 - Atlanta
  • JethroVA
    JethroVA Posts: 1,251
    I enjoy cutting my own hickory, white oak, red oak and maple.  Regarding the wild cherry, I have a buddy who's a big smoker and he says wild cherry is very different from orchard cherry and wild can leave a bitter taste.  I hope that you will report back that it was fine because I have a lot of wild cherry. 
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  • KiterTodd
    KiterTodd Posts: 2,466
    RRP said:
    Because of the oil on the blade of a chain saw, I don't use one to cut the individual chunks. 

    A large toothed blade in my recip saw quickly reduces logs to smoke chunk lengths.  They cure faster when reduced to ready-to-go-in-the-egg size chunks. Got to come up with a better way to hold the logs in place though while cutting into chunk size lengths.
    I got ridiculed years ago about saying the very same thing! The person who will remain nameless here pointed out that chain saw bar oil is not petroleum but vegetable. You might take a look.   
    Wow, hadn't thought of that.  Thanks.  I do most of my trimming with a small Stihl I have and for each gas tank fill-up I go through about half a tank of chain lube.  Both tanks are small containers, but still...there must be oil on the wood and it doesn't look appetizing when I pour it in the tank.

    Good to know.
    LBGE/Maryland
  • Toxarch
    Toxarch Posts: 1,900
    Don't smoke with Mesquite. Too bitter for long smokes. For a quick BBQ, it's fine for adding flavor, but not smokes. And peel the bark on mesquite.
    Aledo, Texas
    Large BGE
    KJ Jr.

    Exodus 12:9 KJV
    Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.

  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,580
    im ok with mesquite but in tiny quantity. rosemary and grape vine as well, just a hint of it

    KiterTodd  black cherry and fruit cherry is good, choke cherry looks too sappy to me, not sure what wild cherry is in your area

    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • I wouldn't be too troubled myself about chain oil. But that's just me

    it's only vegetable oil if you use vegetable oil, which some hardos do from what i understand. Otherwise i think it's petroleum and mineral oils

    Would imagine the amount of oil on any wood is infinitesimal. But some folks love to have something to worry about. ;)


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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    I run vegetable oil in my chainsaw to lubricate the chain.  Easier on your boots and clothes (and the environment) to clean.  Google it.
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