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Ever tried making your own Worcestershire sauce?

Sweet100s
Sweet100s Posts: 553
edited July 2015 in EggHead Forum
Was thinking about making the Chuck Roast - Pepper Stout Beef
that someone posted about a while back (Thank you Mr. / Ms. Someone!) 

Then, vacupack some for next visit of the seafood allergic family member who LOVES Chuck Roast.

However, recipe contains 1/4 cup Worcestershire.  

Has anyone here ever tried making your own worcestershire sauces? 
How did it turn out? 

From these 3 recipes: 
I think this one sounds the best...

with the modification from the comments: 
"The fish sauce adds saltiness to the recipe, so I would just leave it out and substitute 1/2 tsp salt, or increase the amount of soy sauce by another tablespoon or two."


Looked at buying on Amazon, but the price per oz seems HIGH.





Comments

  • beteez
    beteez Posts: 548
    Bam http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/emeril-lagasse/emerils-worcestershire-sauce-recipe.html have had it in his restaurants it is tasty. Love bourbon barrel foods w/s also but t is pricey.
  • gdenby
    gdenby Posts: 6,239
    Only the last recipe seems close to the real thing. If you have an oriental market, you may be able to find miso, which is primarily fermented soy, but is sort of a paste consistency. There are several colors of it, from white, the mildest, to dark, the strongest. It adds a really satisfying "meatiness" to vegetarian dishes. A fair number of places carry either  Lee Kum Kee premium or double deluxe soy sauce, which would be a better option if fish sauce is not used.

    Also, you are likely to find tamarind paste at asian markets, and sometimes at Mexican ones. It is both intensely sweet and intensely tart. From what I can tell of the recipes mentioned, they compensate using a mixture of sweets and vinegars, and in the case of the last recipe, some lime juice.
  • northGAcock
    northGAcock Posts: 15,173
    edited July 2015
    http://eggheadforum.com/discussion/1181800/i-have-made-worcestershire-sauce-and-bottled-it-for-family-friends#latest A link to my post several months back. The string may be helpful. Does not take into account any allergy ingredients however.
    Ellijay GA with a Medium & MiniMax

    Well, I married me a wife, she's been trouble all my life,
    Run me out in the cold rain and snow
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,587
    why would you take the fish sauce out, worcestershire is a fish sauce
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • northGAcock
    northGAcock Posts: 15,173
    why would you take the fish sauce out, worcestershire is a fish sauce
    seafood allergic family member 
    Ellijay GA with a Medium & MiniMax

    Well, I married me a wife, she's been trouble all my life,
    Run me out in the cold rain and snow
  • DaveRichardson
    DaveRichardson Posts: 2,324
    Saw a tv package on Lea and Perrins W sauce and seeing the picked sardines just about turned me off from W sauce for the rest of my life!!!

    LBGE since 2014

    Griffin, GA 

  • Sweet100s
    Sweet100s Posts: 553
    why would you take the fish sauce out, worcestershire is a fish sauce
    Yep (northGAcock) - from my original note:
    "Then, vacupack some for next visit of the seafood allergic family" member who LOVES Chuck Roast."

    She's printed up business cards for servers to show to the cooks / chefs in English on 1 side and Spanish on the other.

    "... allergic to all fish and shellfish..."

    then a list of all the ingredients that contain seafood
    ~ 80% of all servers are unaware and insist are OK, like
    - Worcestershire sauce
    - Marshmallows  (most are made with gelatin based on fish bones)

    I can't recall the others but there were a couple really non-obvious ones.

  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,587
    why would you take the fish sauce out, worcestershire is a fish sauce
    seafood allergic family member 
    i missed that, never heard of fish allergy but its there on google. know a few that cannot eat shrimp, lobster, crab though but they do eat ocean fish. theres some vegatarean fish sauce recipes out there on the web
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • Little Steven
    Little Steven Posts: 28,817

    Worcestershire sauce uses tamarind and anchovies for it's base flavor. Don't see either in most of these recipes.

    Steve 

    Caledon, ON

     

  • Richard Fl
    Richard Fl Posts: 8,297
    I like to use this powdered form when making rubs.

    http://www.myspicer.com/shop/worcestershire-powder/
  • Sweet100s
    Sweet100s Posts: 553
    edited July 2015
    Richard, last time I purchased Worcestershire powder
    - The powder turned into a brick so hard that I couldn't get it out of the bottle, even with a stabby knife
    - the company I tried to order it from would not tell me whether or not the powder contained dried anchovies  (said their ingredient list was confidential)
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,587
    google vegan worcestershire sauce, recipes and products or you can buy

    Annie's Homegrown Organic & Vegan Worcestershire Sauce







    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • SmokeyPitt
    SmokeyPitt Posts: 10,490
    For the pepper stout beef I honestly think I would jut pick the easiest recipe and go with it.  I don't think you will be able to tell a difference int the final product.  With 12 oz of beer + all the liquid from the veggies and beef the 1/4 cup is a drop in the bucket. 


    Which came first the chicken or the egg?  I egged the chicken and then I ate his leg. 

  • Acn
    Acn Posts: 4,490
    Isn't soy sauce or tamari sauce vegan?  Last time I made pulled beef (http://eggheadforum.com/discussion/1184224/pulled-beef-is-the-plan) I used basically the pepper-stout beef method, but used broth insteand of the beer I was out of worcestershire sauce and I subbed a few tablespoons of tamari instead of the 1/4 C.  It added that umami that you're looking for from the worcestershire sauce, but it might work for your family member.

    Maybe double check with them if that sub works.

    LBGE

    Pikesville, MD

  • Sweet100s
    Sweet100s Posts: 553
    edited July 2015
    fishlessman said:
    google vegan worcestershire sauce, recipes and products or you can buy Annie's Homegrown Organic & Vegan Worcestershire Sauce

    Yes.
    From my original note: If I remember correctly there were at least 2 different products, "Annie's" and 1 other brand "the Wizard" or something like that. Between those 2 on Amazon, "the wizard" brand sounded better from the ingredient list. Don't recall why. I think it had ginger also.

    However, given that:
    1) Chuck Roast Pepper Stout Beef recipe called for 1/4 cup of Worcestershire
    2) Price per oz for the smallest quantity of the Wizard I could buy was $20 for 2 5oz bottles --> $2 per ounce

    I then used Google to search for a good recipe recipe instead of buying.
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,587
    ive made beef aujus sauce using one of rrp's recipes which used the liquid from campbells canned onion soup mix, i bet if you mixed that with some apple cider vinegar it would have plenty of flavor for this recipe, theres already alot going on with the peppers
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • gdenby
    gdenby Posts: 6,239
    Spent some time w. the search engines. Among the things I found was that one of the main product of the fermented anchovies or sardines in Wooster sauce is some thing called "inosinate." For those of you who have used FAB products, FAB B has some in it. Most sources start w. fish of some sort, altho I found mention of pork. I did find that nori seaweed  contains a lot of it. Perhaps grinding a little of that into powder and adding to a Wooster like sauce would work as well as the fermented fish sauce.

  • Sweet100s
    Sweet100s Posts: 553
    edited July 2015
    gdenby said:
     Among the things I found was that one of the main product of the fermented anchovies or sardines in Wooster sauce is some thing called "inosinate."

    YES.  

    On the "NOT obvious list of ingredients that contain seafood"  on her business card is: 

    --> disodium inosate, agar, alginic acid, alginate, kamaboko, tomalley , scamp


    On the next version we're going to add "fish sauce" to the "not obvious" list.
    You'd think "fish sauce" would be obvious.  
    Top of her "business card" she gives to servers is:
     "I am deathly allergic to all seafood - all fish and shellfish!" 

    However, I heard one server tell her, 

    "You're OK with the pork chop entree.  It contains fish sauce but no seafood." 

    !!!  :o
  • gdenby
    gdenby Posts: 6,239
    From what I read inosinate is not necessarily derived from seafood. Apparently, it can be found also in aged or fermented pork.

    I'm lucky to have few problems with most foods. My big problem is with peppers, most acutely, common green bell peppers. And one of my son-in-laws will end up in the hospital after eating any shrimp. I would suppose lobsters, crayfish and such are a similar problem for him.  So I'm not unsympathetic to the dietary restrictions.

    But I do wonder if more allegic testing isn't in order. Garum sauce and liquamen sauce were standard food additives for about a thousand years, and inosinate is cited as the active flavor enhancer. It is one of a larger group called purines that are present in a very large number of foods. While problematic because of promoting gout, they don't seem to be the sort of thing that causes severe allergic reactions.

    Good luck with finding a substitute. Basically, there seems to be a problem with "umami" flavor processing. Glutamates may not be the problem, but inosinate and guanylates are found in the same foods as glutamates, even without processing.

    Thank goodness, I don't have this problem. I couldn't drin beer if I did. I had a friend who had to avoid all beer and wine. As a result, he became an expert on single malt Scotches. Not the worst compensation, I think.
  • Sweet100s
    Sweet100s Posts: 553
    edited August 2015
    Thank god for Vegans.   Found a  bottle of the "Wizard's" vegan worcestershire sauce in Whole Foods for just $3.99.  I'll keep the lid on it till the allergic one visits,  and then maybe make a batch using one of the recipes above when I visit and do a chuck roast on their egg.