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Italian Sausage
snake701uk
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I am an Englishman living in Italy for 25 years. I see on many US recipes "Italian Sausage", not just on this forum. Here in Italy there are hundreds of different types, many made by local butchers etc, fresh no coloring or additives etc. The same applies to many countries including the US. I just wondered what people thought an "Italian Sausage" is? I can only think of one ingredient that would make it Italian compared to a real UK sausage for example. Andy
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Here are the typical variations we have of "Italian Sausage". Sweet and hot are the most common. I doubt any really remind you of a sausage in Italy, but I would be curious to know if any do. And if so which reminds you of what?
http://www.johnsonville.com/lines/italian.html -
A pork sausage with red pepper flakes and plenty of fennel. Omit the pepper flakes for "sweet" or "mild".
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snake,
In Canada we get a wide variety of Italian sausages, mostly identified by a region or province and they are quite different. As has been said most recipes call for the sweet or hot variety of a generic medium size fresh sausage.
SteveSteve
Caledon, ON
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we have the fresh variety, bet they are close to origional styles, lots of old italian neighborhoods around. sweet, hot, sweet with fennel. mostly garlic, pepper, maybe some basil, coriander. we also have an english market, banger, tomato bangers, some have sage, the blood sausages, and the white one that i never have triedfukahwee maineyou can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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Hi, There seems nothing to make it Italian in any of these. That said they might be very good! I was curious to see what people thought one was when they write it in the recipe. I guess I was more curious about why is it called Italian.
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Bingo, wild fennel is the only ingredient that could make it Italian for me. Even though my butcher makes the fresh ones with an addition of white wine. They can be eaten raw. Recipes that call for "Italian Sausages" should be more specific.
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Don't think too much about it. Here in the US, we have French fries, which are Belgian; American cheese, which isn't cheese; and Canadian bacon, which isn't made out of Canadians. Italian sausage is probably the least of our culinary crimes.
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Thanks Steve, I agree to the sweet and mild. Wild fennel is (should be) used for that.
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Except that in America, it's a whole lot easier to include Italian sausage as an ingredient, considering any of us can get it from the grocery store, than to specify "a fresh pork sausage seasoned with garlic, hot pepper, coriander and fennel."
If it's a regionally acceptable term, use it. The fact that someone in Italy might balk at an ingredient in one of Emeril's recipes probably doesn't even register on his radar. His money is made here. -
Interesting, little garlic used here. To make it Italian and that does not mean good, then there should be fennel. I realy miss the blood sausages (black pudding). I doubt I would try a white sausage. I was just curious about the Italian definition. Thanks.
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Most Italians immigrants come from Southern Italy, which I will say, with some controversy I am sure, is typically the less affluent part of Italy (which is partly why they left). Most Italian food we serve here has its roots in Southern Italian dishes.
Additionally, most American Italian immigrants came between 1870 and 1910 with a few more smaller waves coming later related to the two world wars and the build up to them (Mussolini). Point being is several generations have passed and today's generations are quite removed from their families past (think Jersey Shore :pinch: ). Which is why only some of the Italian food served in restaurants is typical in Italy, especially when you consider the preparation and ingredients. I am sure this is the same for Italian sausage. -
lol, I was just given some sausages from Potenza and asked the ingredients. Only the fennel made it different to anything else. We can now buy stock in a bric, just to find out it is just the old cubes that have been diluted! I make my own now. Thanks.
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I agree, I travel the world for my job and avoid at all costs any Italian food when away from here. Eat local, eat good. That does not mean it is bad, just not the same.
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i agree, i like the fennel in the sausage. the butcher near me makes the white sausage and calls it english polony. looks like white bologna in a sausage casing. we also get meat pies for breakfast, heres the market.
http://www.thwaitesmarket.com/fukahwee maineyou can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it -
the main problem is that not all like fennel. Here only a little garlic is used (if any). White wine is a good contribution. A general mix of spices. And then dried, grated peppers. The heat can be added at lib.
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I think the fennel might make it Italian. However there are wondeful sausages all over the world.
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are you eating all over italy. the italian section of boston are more red sauce italians, dont remember fennel in the sausages simmered all day in the red tomato type sauces, fennel may have been hard to get here when the italians started moving here though. evrything here gets mixed up over time, my great great grandfater was from the azores and we eat alot of fennel and allspice, i know he used to grow his own fennel so it may not of been common in the markets back thenfukahwee maineyou can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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i put garlic, fennel,anise seed and some white zinfandel instead of water...i love it!.
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To my knowledge, it is fennel SEED, whole or ground, that gives it that characteristic flavor. All the above mention of "fennel" sounds like the plant itself is in the recipe, which is not the case in any recipe I've ever seen.Judy in San Diego
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Aw, come on, Judy. Have you ever bitten into an Italian sausage and found stems and leaves in it? Of course I meant ground, or whole fennel seeds! :laugh:
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Now that sounds a damn good mix! Thanks.
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Italian Sausage in our version: Fresh Pork ground only once with large disc. Most of the time pork from the butts. Fat, must have lots of pork fat, where a lot of flavor comes from. Parsley, Fennel, Red Peeper Flakes, Salt, Black Peeper, and sweet Basel, this is our basic version. As much as I love garlic we never put garlic in our sausage. As for Hot, Mild, and sweet. Hot of course lot more Red Pepper Flakes, Mild not as much red pepper flakes and for sweet no red pepper flakes but maybe some more sweet Basel.
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PBM, sounds like you know your Italian sausage. Sounds great!
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Thanks buddy, I have made a few pounds in my life time.
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That seems good to me. Thanks.
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Snake, why do you live in Italia? Did you lose a bet? :woohoo:
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