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??? for sausage makers

Hoss
Hoss Posts: 14,600
edited November -0001 in EggHead Forum
I made da 'Loney,which is nothing more than glorified SummerSausage.I have several other HM sausage kits.German,Polish,Bratwurst and Italian.I want to make some of those to try out my new stuffer.The directions say if I am not gonna slow cook/smoke them do not use the cure.O.K.What is the benifit of slow cooking/smoking them?They still have to be refridgerated or frozen.I guess I could pull out the slowcooked ones and slice em and eat room temp?I do not care for that type sausage unless it is hot and grilled.It seems to me the slow cook is a wasted step.Any thoughts??? :huh:

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  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    Hoss wrote:
    'Loney...is nothing more than glorified Summer Sausage.

    Glorified?? Hahahahahaha! ;)

    Sorry, Dude - but you are a great straight man! :laugh:

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • stike
    stike Posts: 15,597
    cold smoking adds, well, smoke. and as important, it doesn't change the texture of the meat substantially (if at all). for ex. my hot smoked savory bacon is COOKED. firmed uop and a little drier. when later cooking it to eat by itself , say for breakfast, you need to be a little careful of it can be dry. not a big risk, but it is already cooked.

    cold-smoked it retains the 'raw' texture.

    you want the cure in sausages that are to be cold smoked, because essentially you have the perfect environment in a sausage at 80-120 degrees for hours on end to incubate botulism (no oxygen inside the sausage). risk is ridiculously small, but still, there it is.

    if you aren't going to cold smoke them, there are still reasons to cure them. pancetta, for example, isn't smoked. but the nitrites in the cure give it a piquancy you don't get from salt-curing alone, and they give it a cured texture and color.

    the hi-mountain cures are good for starting, but you can mix your own cures more easily than you can your own rubs. for starters, there are a lot of traditional cure recipes out there. they aren't tightly held secrets.

    buy a pound of pink salts and you are good to go.
    ed egli avea del cul fatto trombetta -Dante
  • Hoss
    Hoss Posts: 14,600
    Well,MINE IS! :P :laugh:
  • Richard Fl
    Richard Fl Posts: 8,297
    Make a BIG batch and we will get this project solved!

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  • Hoss
    Hoss Posts: 14,600
    That's sorta what I had in mind! :)
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,589
    depends how you like them, i like keilbasa either way, fresh or hot smoked, they are different
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • Hoss
    Hoss Posts: 14,600
    Yeah,I made some bulk Italian cause I did not have a stuffer or casings.Egret was nice enough to send me some seasoning.I just wondered about the slow cooking vs. just grillin em when you're ready to eat em.Thought I may skip a step.If I do the slo cook they have to sit in the fridge overnight before cookin.The other way I can mix,stuff and freeze.
  • stike
    stike Posts: 15,597
    i would use the cure either way
    ed egli avea del cul fatto trombetta -Dante
  • thirdeye
    thirdeye Posts: 7,428
    Stike had a good comparison of smoked sausage verses fresh when he mentioned bacon. I suppose with the correct finish temperature you could eat smoked sausage cold, but most folks will do a second cook on it, either on the grill, by baking it with potatoes or kraut, or just frying it for a sandwich.

    The cure is a safety precaution as colder smoked sausage is in the 40-140 range longer than is recommended. HM's suggestion of omitting the cure when making fresh sausage is most likely due to the fact that some feel that we should keep our nitrate intake to a minimum.

    Now to interject something along the lines of what we have been talking about offline...., here is a shot of a german sausage which is a mixture of beef and pork. This does have Tenderquick in it, but it's a fresh sausage meant for grilling. The internal temperature of these links were 175°. The TQ is responsible for the pink color, the texture, and some moisture retention. In this case, the liquid added was an iced solution of pureed garlic in water. And BTW, the meat was double ground.

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    Happy Trails
    ~thirdeye~

    Barbecue is not rocket surgery
  • nuynai
    nuynai Posts: 101
    We have a place in Buffalo, NY called The Sausage Maker. Check out their website-sausagemaker.com. Type in Insta Cure#1 and #2. One cure is for smoked/cooked sausage and the other is for long, dry cured sausages, salamis, etc. When you're smoking, don't get the temp. over 160, as then you start cooking the stuff. When you get over 170, the fat starts to melt which is not good for smoking, as the sausage gets tough and looses a lot of flavor. Also, when you make the sausage, let it air dry for over 1 hr., as the smoke will not adhere and penetrate the meat if it's wet. It has to be dry.
    His book is considered the go to place for all kinds of sausage, recipes, jerky, etc. All his products are of good quality and I've never had a bad experience with them.
    PS, fresh sausage does not need any cure.
  • thirdeye
    thirdeye Posts: 7,428
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    That is a great place.... I've owned one of the Sausage Maker's 5 pound stuffers for over 20 years. I guess you're talking about the book from the late Rytek Kutas? I'm on my second copy (the binding quality has always been bad) and have purchased many of them for the folks I've gotten into making sausage. It's one of the best reference books around. I have heard that the sausage maker now has a sausage DVD that may be just the trick for younger sausage makers.
    Happy Trails
    ~thirdeye~

    Barbecue is not rocket surgery
  • Hoss
    Hoss Posts: 14,600
    Thanks.I appreciate all your help.I was ashamed to keep emailing you.You have been more than generous with your time and advice. :)
  • cookn biker
    cookn biker Posts: 13,407
    Good post Hoss.
    Molly
    Colorado Springs
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