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AGA range and cooker

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PattyO
PattyO Posts: 883
edited November -1 in EggHead Forum
Does anyone have an AGA range or cooker? Anyone ever use one or see one? I may be replacing my Dynasty pro style, and considering the AGA. The ovens are supposed to work on radiant heat, just like the BGE. The web site really doesn't show clear pictures of what they look like and there are no dealers in my area.
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  • Richard Fl
    Richard Fl Posts: 8,297
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    I believe that "Dimples Mom" from the Seattle area had one.
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 32,770
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    dimples mom has one, needs a heavey base, its on all the time so a small kitchen may get hot, email her. they are real heavey so you need a strong base to support it and they need some fire retardant around them
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • PattyO
    PattyO Posts: 883
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    On all the time? How so? I'll email her tomorrow if she doesn't see this. Thanks.
  • Frank from Houma
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    Had a few friends who had AGA's in Scotland. Always on and a great place to warm ye bum. Like fishless said, pretty heavy and not suited for a small kitchen. My bride says she thinks there is but one dealer in the US.
  • The Naked Whiz
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    At least the ones that run off of gas or heating oil, they have a burner in them that runs all the time. It keeps the ovens hot and the burners on top hot. They have insulated covers over the burners and the ovens are at different temps by virtue of how they route the central heating element's heat to the ovens. There is (or was 5 years ago) a dealer in Chapel Hill, NC. I found info on the web a long time ago that said they radiate as much heat as (fill in the blank) all the time. I can't remember how much heat they said. But they make sense in England and Scandanavia perhaps, but I'm not sure I'd want one in NC, lol! If you want to spend an enormous sum of money (the Aga's I saw were enormously expensive) you might look into a Lacanche.
    The Naked Whiz
  • Haggis
    Haggis Posts: 63
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    At $12K to $20K for an AGA you want to be real certain of your decision. I believe the original models are, as others have said, heated all the time. Likely that is great in the damp of the UK but I'd not like one if I lived in Alabama. The only installed one I've encountered was in Indianapolis, bought already in the house, and the owner was not enthralled by it.

    That said, I believe there are also some models that are lighter in construction and may not have the "always on" feature. Of course you'd be paying for the name and, it seems to me, once you've lost their primary claim to fame, why bother. Oh - you can check the out at http://www.aga-ranges.com
  • ranger ray
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    a friend of mine has had one for years....they do run at full throttle all of the time... like the other folks said..... they are great if you live in a cold ,damp climate or just plan on using it to heat your house during the winter in lieu of a wood/ pellet stove..... the original ones were designed to burn either soft coal or anthracite coal....you might just want to check into buying an old coal stove( some of which are works of art!...i grew up here in the hard coal region of northeast PA.... every single home had a coal stove( at least one).... many folks had " summer kitchens".... small shacks outside the main house and they'd move the stove out there for the summer so the house would not get too hot.... the more affluent had two stoves to avoid the arduous task of moving the behemoth...in this area( poconos/scranton pa) we rarely get hot days...so the stove makes sense.....
    any way my yuppie buddy's wife insisted they have( especially in the 80's when conspicuous was the rage) they live south jersey where it's hot all the time.... anyway.... they spent something like ten grand for the stove..... the house was too hot....you guessed it ..... they installed central air to keep the house cool cause it was too hot cause of their "showcased" aga stove...... they totally designed their kitchen around this status symbol..... my advice.... get a nice viking stove.... it only get's hot when you need it...and it has lots of status..... besides being a great product.... i have a garland six burner stove... looks cool, but not the quality of viking or dacor.. ..... but you get what you pay for...aga's a really well built and definitely are a staus symbol..... if that's what you need...kinda like the young house wife who drives her kid to school a block from her house in an cadilac escalade... rr
  • Smokinb
    Smokinb Posts: 103
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    I live down the street from the original us aga dealer, but I believe there are now more, but they all might order through her. I'm in Charlotte, nc and their store is called aga thyme.

    From what I know, everyone's comments are spot on. Very heavy, big investment, stay on all the time. They give off some heat so small kitchens don't make sense. They also come with a learning curve, just like BGEs. ;)
  • Desert Oasis Woman
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    Have a 15 y/o Viking....check out the Wolf ranges and drop in cooktops and wall ovens..... ;)
  • RevEggHead
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    I was sales manager for a large independent appliance dealer for 10 years and in that time we sold ONE AGA range. Everyone's comments have been spot on (always on, heavy, lots of radiant heat) but I would add a few concerns...

    Because of their limited availability here in the states service will be a major concern.

    As I remember, the builder of the one that we sold had to reinforce the floor in the kitchen to support the range. You may have the same issue.

    As someone else posted, there are other options out there... Viking, Wolf, Thermador. You can't go wrong with any of them.
  • James MB
    James MB Posts: 359
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    Even here in the UK they are less popular as houses become more insulated. My sister has an electric one, runs off a standard socket but makes her well insulated house too bloomin hot in summer. Good for old damp houses! Bit of a symbol here.
    They do cook nicely though, much like egging, though you have to adapt to cooking almost exclusively in the ovens rather than on the top as using the top too much drains the stored heat.
    Best use - bum warming with a mug of hot tea after a cold walk!
  • PattyO
    PattyO Posts: 883
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    Thanks, all. I knew you guys could help me. I wanted it for the WOW factor, but sure don't want to heat up the house, or pay that fuel cost. So, XX the AGA off my wish list. What a great group.
  • Mainegg
    Mainegg Posts: 7,787
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    Morning Patty, I came so close to getting one this summer. Found a light green one on craigslist in VT. 5 oven for 1700.00 I almost cried! it was apart and on skids. Someone had bought a big old warehouse and it was in it they wanted it gone to redo the place for a business. asked the same thing on here and got all the same answers LOL Dimples Mom does have one and there is a great online forum like this one for them. I decided not to get it, but only because we are in FL winters now and that was when I would have used it the most. I have an out door kitchen and could have put a small gas stove in and we have 4 eggs up there so would have just shut it down for the summer. But just made no sense. I have coveted them since I was a small girl... just a beautiful piece of equipment and they do cook very similar to our eggs. and their "green foot print" is not very good and I am becoming a bit of a granola in my mid ages LOL
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 32,770
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    i remember someone saying it only throws as much heat as a 400 watt light bulb, i have a 400 watt light bulb in my kitchen and you dont want to stand under it ;) also remember something about the ovens being preset temps, not adjustable. something like one for simmering, one for baking, one for roasting etc but they probably have different options now. heres my lacanche that the whiz mentioned, its pretty much no frills, i went without a broiler in mine, the ovens are pretty small and if you get the broiler or electric option they get really small. check out my blue indoor/outdoor carpeting and old wall paper :laugh: there is a lacanche forum out there, i dont think anyone on it cooks, they just talk about the colors, their kitchen remodels, how they like to look at it :whistle:

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    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • Mainegg
    Mainegg Posts: 7,787
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    nice Fishless!! although it does look a little like a "fish out of water" LOL have you shared your decorating tips with them? It is a nice looking unit. and you are correct about the presets. I wanted that thing so bad I was dreaming about it LOL
  • Florida Grillin Girl
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    I stayed at a B&B in Vermont that had an AGA. The owners were from England and they cooked on it everyday and they loved it. They were very happy to show it to everyone and of course we loved standing next to it cause it was so cold there in the winter. Being from FL, it was completely foreign to me, but it was a really cool concept and I would love to have one, too. Maybe in some other life, I guess. Happy New Year, Patty!
    Happily egging on my original large BGE since 1996... now the owner of 5 eggs. Call me crazy, everyone else does!
     
    3 Large, 1 Small, 1 well-used Mini
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 32,770
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    i was standing on the shower ladder to take the pic :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: i told them to get an egg and stop worrying about french and classic tops, oven sizes, colors, brass or chrome knobs, handpainted rooster tile backsplashes etc, i think im the only one splashing grease all over one:laugh: :laugh: that aga would be nice in the basement but i would need to put in another ladder to get to it in the winter :laugh:
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • eenie meenie
    eenie meenie Posts: 4,394
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    fish, I sure hope I'm mentioned in your will regarding your Lacanche. If I am, rest assured I will try not to hasten your demise. :whistle:
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 32,770
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    do you want the rug too, its only worn thru in a coupla places :)
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • ranger ray
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    patty .... look on craig;s list under appliances in the scranton pa listings.... there's vulcan stove on there... it's in a church.... rrr
  • Dimple's Mom
    Dimple's Mom Posts: 1,740
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    Yes, do have one. I'll address a few of the things others said about Agas, some true, some not true.

    First, the Aga I have is what is called a 4-oven Aga and it is 'on' all the time. It does not heat up the house overly much at all. In fact, we do not have heat in our kitchen (long story but our heater broke in Nov 2006) and our kitchen is freezing in the winter and much of the summer. I live in the PNW, on an island off the coast of Washington State. It never gets real hot here. But even in he summer when it's 70, 80, or even 90 (rare, I admit), the Aga is not heating up the kitchen unless you have the hob up (and with any stove, turning on the burner would start heating up your kitchen).

    There are 2-oven models and also 3-oven models. You can get them with gas burners or the 'plates/hobs' that were what originally came with an Aga. You can also get the 4-oven model with 2 hobs and a warming plate (what I have) or 2 hobs and burners instead of a warming plate.

    You can also get an Aga stove that is much like a regular stove/oven and it is not on all the time. There are various models. I have a friend who has one of those models and she loves it.

    With an Aga like mine, that is on all the time, you can choose to run it at less than full power all the time. People do that during the summers if they live in warm places (I think my installer really loaded up on the insulation because I just do not get the residual heat that people often relate to Agas) or to save on fuel costs when you're out of town or bbqing a lot in the summer, etc. You shouldn't turn it all the way off because the ovens, which are cast iron, can rust.

    You can get the Agas to run on propane or electricity and one other option, I forget exactly what. You can also get different venting options depending on where you kitchen is in relation to the roof and outside walls. Ours runs on propane and is vented up through the roof. In England they sell a model that also heats up your water and circulates it, but that is not avail in the U.S.

    They are heavy but unless you live in an old house, you won't need your floor reinforced. We did not need that. If you do need it, it's normally a simple matter of adding a couple joists under where the Aga sits. I've never heard from anyone that it was a big issue.

    The Aga is brought in in pieces and built right in your kitchen. First they put a 'plinth' down which is fireproof and then they build the Aga on top of that. It's ceramic and cast iron with some stainless steel pieces. Yes, very heavy. Once you put it in, you don't move it, even a fraction of an inch. If you want to take it out, it's dismantled again in pieces and taken out that way. A certified Aga installer is needed to put them in and I would also use the same to take one out, if you want to sell it or reuse it.

    Brand new they are expensive but you can find used ones for a comparable amount of money to what you'd pay for a new viking or wolf. The Agas that are not on all the time are considerably less money and are in the same range as other high end ranges.

    Agas don't need a hood over them, so you save money there.

    They're extremely efficient cookers and do a wonderful job with things like roasts and veggies. The only thing you can't do in an Aga is broil. There is no broiler.

    They are not status symbols. In fact, imo they are quite ugly! But they will be a presence in your kitchen and like BGE owners, many Aga owners name their Agas. (Ours is Dorothy.) Agas have a similar cult-like following as do BGEs. In fact, I first heard about the BGE on the Aga Lovers yahoo forum. (There are a number of Aga forums around and if you're really serious, I recommend joining one or two to ask questions and just read about what others have to say.) I had ordered our Aga and was waiting for it (a several month long wait) and someone mentioned I might want to look at the BGE while I waited as it was the bbq-ers version of the Aga. The rest is history as now we have both. :)

    There is a whole different cooking style on the Aga than on a regular range. Most people buy the Aga because that cooking style suits them, not because they want a status symbol in their kitchen. Because of the way the Aga works, it just does not attract status symbol types of people. It's not a snobby way of cooking. It's down home cooking, and attracts people who like to stay in their jammies all day sipping tea and people who have dogs and cats that lounge in front of the Aga and shed all over the black Aga top.

    With a regular range, you cook 80% on the stove top burners and 20% inside the ovens. With an Aga, that is reversed. A lot of things you do on the stove top, I do inside one of the ovens. The ovens are held at 4 temps - roasting oven (RO) at 450, baking oven (BO) at 350, simmering oven (SO) at 250, and warming oven (WO) at 150. The 2-oven model has the RO and SO. The 3-oven model has the RO, BO, and SO. You can put a 'cold shelf' into one of the ovens (looks like a cookie sheet that fits on rungs inside the oven) and it will drop the temp of that oven below the cold shelf. So if you don't have a BO, you use the cold shelf to drop the temp and bake at the lower temp in the RO.

    Each oven is hotter near the top and cooler near the bottom. So if I have something that wants to be baked at 325, I put the rack on the bottom of the BO and put my dish on that rack and now I'm cooking at 325 instead of 350. If I want to bake at 375, I cook at the top of the BO.

    If I want to simmer stock or soup or sauce, I bring it to a boil on the boiling plate (BP) and once it comes to a boil, I transfer it to the SO. Once the hobs are opened, heat loss begins so you don't want them open for much more than 20 mins. The BP is about 700 degrees in the center (cooler around the outside) and the simmering plate (SP) is about 350 in the center. They are large and you can fit more than one pot or pan on them at a time and you can move them around to get the amount of heat you want. You can cook directly on the SP - grilled cheese and pancakes are 2 common uses. Also you can do toast directly on the SP, which is how I do toast. Many people use the toast holder that comes with the Aga (also comes with 2 pans and the cold shelf) or do it inside the RO.

    There is usually more than one way to cook something using the Aga, so it's quite versatile. Does a wonderful job of cooking big holiday dinners because you have all these ovens to play around with. Being ceramic, food stays ridiculously moist (even if you overcook) for a long time. The ovens are very forgiving. You'd have to really work at it to get a dried out chicken or turkey or meatloaf.

    Most Aga distributors hold demos. Ours had a wonderful free demo where you went with a lot of other people, sat at dining tables, and they cooked breakfast, lunch, and dinner items and talked about what they were doing, why, answered questions, etc. It was a super fun event and I highly recommend it, even if you aren't getting an Aga. :side:

    If you, or anyone else, is seriously considering one, drop me an email with your phone and I'll call you and answer any questions. (We have free long distance on our land line.)

    Wonderful for drying clothes! This is before we painted the plinth (base) black and before we had a cupboard built to sit on the right of the Aga, which you can barely see in the next photo. We moved things around in the kitchen and the Aga sits on its own wall (our kitchen is very oddly designed and not in a good way) and then had a very narrow space to the right of the Aga, about 18 inches, that we had a carpenter build a custom cupboard/cabinet for.

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  • Dimple's Mom
    Dimple's Mom Posts: 1,740
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    The base they sit on is fire retardant. They don't need anything special on the sides. I have a regular cupboard/cabinet sitting right next to mine and it's fine. They sit about an inch or two from the back wall, but there's a lip along the back top so things don't fall down back there.
  • Dimple's Mom
    Dimple's Mom Posts: 1,740
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    There are many many dealers in the U.S.! Each area has a distributor and then dealers, very similar to the BGE distribution set-up. There is one headquarters office in the U.S., just like there is one BGE headquarters in Atlanta.

    They are built and sold out of England. They were invented by a swiss physicist who was going blind and wanted to invent a stove that the cook didn't need to fuss around with (knobs all over the place to adjust flames, etc. They've been around for a very long time and there are other similar ranges sold in England that work the same way. I believe Rayburn is one such brand.
  • Dimple's Mom
    Dimple's Mom Posts: 1,740
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    The news Aga option models that aren't always on have come down in price and are not as pricey when compared to similar ranges. I would have at one time agreed with you re if you aren't getting the 'real' Aga, why bother, but they really have some very nice new models that people seem to love.

    One feature that I think makes some people choose the Aga over say a wolf or viking is they come in such a huge range of color options.
  • Dimple's Mom
    Dimple's Mom Posts: 1,740
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    There's a number of NC Aga owners that love them. In fact, one of the best dealers in the U.S. is in NC. I think her name is Bonnie Fleming.

    Another nice stove similar to Lacanche, at least in my mind but maybe quite different in the details, is the Le Cornue. I really don't know anything about either of them other than they come in pretty colors and are quite handsome. I know one person on the island who has the Lacanche and she loves it.
  • Dimple's Mom
    Dimple's Mom Posts: 1,740
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    The wow factor is really not a good reason to get it just because you'll have to learn how to cook differently and it may not be your style.
  • Dimple's Mom
    Dimple's Mom Posts: 1,740
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    Their green footprint is not bad. They last forever. I've heard more than one story where a house burned to the ground completely yet the Aga was left standing and lived to cook another day in the new house.

    They are remarkably efficient in the way they retain heat. So I don't think concerns about green footprints are valid. Plus, you don't need a toaster, toaster oven, microwave, etc., so eliminating all those types of appliances saves on the footprint as well as counter space.

    In buying a used one, you'd want to make darn sure it had all the parts. When they came to build mine, there were tons and tons of parts, some quite small.

    New England would be such an excellent place to have one! Florida, not so much. But you could always turn it way down while you were in Florida.

    Btw, when they are turned down, you can still cook on them, it just takes longer.
  • Angela
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    The biggest drawback of them, for me is the fact that the ovens do not fit a 1/2 sheet pan. Of course being on the gulf coast we don't have the application for one anyway. I think they are beautiful though and I'd love to have one if I moved to Minnesota LOL.
    Egging on two larges + 36" Blackstone griddle
  • Dimple's Mom
    Dimple's Mom Posts: 1,740
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    And then there are all the handy uses like drying off newborn lambs - I hear it comes in useful for that as well!