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New warranty replacement dome coming & I have a few questions

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EggHead_Bubba
EggHead_Bubba Posts: 566
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BGE is replacing my dome since it had a piece of the green glaze pop off. Supposedly the dome will come with the gasket installed so all I need to do is replace the damaged one with the new one. I have a few questions.

1) Has there ever been anything documented that shows a step-by-step on replacing the dome. If so, I would really appreciate a link or narrative on the best way to do this.

2) Band bolts - I need to replace mine. Can I buy them at Lowe's or Home Depot as long as they are the same size? Is there anything special about these bolts?

3) When I tighten the band bolts, what should they be torqued to? Is it possible to over tighten and break the bolts or shatter the dome?

Thanks!

Rocky Top, TN — Large BGE • Cast Iron Grate & Platesetter • Rockwood Lump

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  • jllbms
    jllbms Posts: 381
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    Try this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6k5sN6jYLU  Don't know how well it will help, but here it is.

    You should crank on the bolts until they bend.  You pretty much can't over torque it.

    Kemah, TX
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  • minniemoh
    minniemoh Posts: 2,145
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    The bolts are hardness Grade 5. You need harder bolts than your standard Grade 2-3 galvanized that is carried most places. You also need to make sure that they are full thread instead of partial thread.

    I recently tried to find some locally at the home improvement stores, hardware stores, and even Fastenall. I couldn't find any Grade 5 carriage style with full thread so I ended up going to the BGE dealer and picking up a band hardware kit. 
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  • onedbguru
    onedbguru Posts: 1,647
    edited June 2014
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    You may be able to use the same bolts.  The simple method: just loosen, remove old dome, set new dome in place and re-tighten. 

    I recently added the side tables which required removing the lower band, installing the table bolts and reinstalling without changing the bolts.
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,102
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    Grade 5 or better.

    Grade 2
    Grade 2 is a standard hardware grade steel. This is the most common grade of steel fastener and is the least expensive. Grade 2 bolts have no head marking (sometimes a manufacturer mark is present).

    Grade 5
    Grade 5 bolts are hardened to increase strength and are the most common bolts found in automotive applications. Grade 5 bolts have 3 evenly spaced radial lines on the head.

    Grade 8
    Grade 8 bolts have been hardened more than grade 5 bolts. Thus they are stronger and are used in demanding applications such as automotive suspensions. Grade 8 bolts have 6 evenly spaced radial lines on the head.


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    @EggHead_Bubba‌ ....Where Are You Located?
    Green egg, dead animal and alcohol. The "Boro".. TN 
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  • EggHead_Bubba
    EggHead_Bubba Posts: 566
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    minniemoh said:
    The bolts are hardness Grade 5. You need harder bolts than your standard Grade 2-3 galvanized that is carried most places. You also need to make sure that they are full thread instead of partial thread.

    I recently tried to find some locally at the home improvement stores, hardware stores, and even Fastenall. I couldn't find any Grade 5 carriage style with full thread so I ended up going to the BGE dealer and picking up a band hardware kit. 
    Good to know... I'll call around and see if I can find some.

    Rocky Top, TN — Large BGE • Cast Iron Grate & Platesetter • Rockwood Lump

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  • Durangler
    Durangler Posts: 1,122
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    Torque to 10 ft lbs.
    XL BGE, 22" Weber Red Head, Fiesta Gasser .... Peoria,AZ
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  • EggHead_Bubba
    EggHead_Bubba Posts: 566
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    onedbguru said:
    You may be able to use the same bolts.  The simple method: just loosen, remove old dome, set new dome in place and re-tighten. 

    I recently added the side tables which required removing the lower band, installing the table bolts and reinstalling without changing the bolts.
    You mention to just loosen the bolts and lift out the dome to change it out. Don't I need to zit-tie the hinge before doing this?

    Rocky Top, TN — Large BGE • Cast Iron Grate & Platesetter • Rockwood Lump

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  • EggHead_Bubba
    EggHead_Bubba Posts: 566
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    henapple said:
    @EggHead_Bubba‌ ....Where Are You Located?
    Knoxville... born and raised in Nashville.

    Rocky Top, TN — Large BGE • Cast Iron Grate & Platesetter • Rockwood Lump

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  • jllbms
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    Yes, secure the bands before loosening. ...... Boing!!!
    Kemah, TX
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  • EggHead_Bubba
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    nolaegghead said:
    Grade 5 or better.

    Grade 2
    Grade 2 is a standard hardware grade steel. This is the most common grade of steel fastener and is the least expensive. Grade 2 bolts have no head marking (sometimes a manufacturer mark is present).

    Grade 5
    Grade 5 bolts are hardened to increase strength and are the most common bolts found in automotive applications. Grade 5 bolts have 3 evenly spaced radial lines on the head.

    Grade 8
    Grade 8 bolts have been hardened more than grade 5 bolts. Thus they are stronger and are used in demanding applications such as automotive suspensions. Grade 8 bolts have 6 evenly spaced radial lines on the head.


    Thanks for the info on grading, never knew that.

    Rocky Top, TN — Large BGE • Cast Iron Grate & Platesetter • Rockwood Lump

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  • EggHead_Bubba
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    jllbms said:
    Yes, secure the bands before loosening. ...... Boing!!!
    Any pictures that show the exact location where to place the ties? Thanks

    Rocky Top, TN — Large BGE • Cast Iron Grate & Platesetter • Rockwood Lump

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  • jllbms
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    http://www.friday.com/bbum/2011/06/04/upgrading-the-big-green-egg-high-que-coms-gasket-fire-grate/ There's a photo in this article.
    Kemah, TX
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  • EggHead_Bubba
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    EggHead_Bubba said:
    minniemoh said:
    The bolts are hardness Grade 5. You need harder bolts than your standard Grade 2-3 galvanized that is carried most places. You also need to make sure that they are full thread instead of partial thread.

    I recently tried to find some locally at the home improvement stores, hardware stores, and even Fastenall. I couldn't find any Grade 5 carriage style with full thread so I ended up going to the BGE dealer and picking up a band hardware kit. 
    Good to know... I'll call around and see if I can find some.
    Turns out Lowe's carries grade 5 bolts that are hex head but not carriage bolts. Would those work?

    Rocky Top, TN — Large BGE • Cast Iron Grate & Platesetter • Rockwood Lump

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  • EggHead_Bubba
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    jllbms said:
    http://www.friday.com/bbum/2011/06/04/upgrading-the-big-green-egg-high-que-coms-gasket-fire-grate/ There's a photo in this article.
    Thanks, it's kinda hard to tell exactly how that wire is tied. Looks like it runs across from one side to the other. Would have thought you would secure each side separately.

    Rocky Top, TN — Large BGE • Cast Iron Grate & Platesetter • Rockwood Lump

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  • jllbms
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    I did mine and secured each side separately, using very large cable ties. That works.
    Kemah, TX
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  • Durangler
    Durangler Posts: 1,122
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    I'd stick with carriage bolts as the square neck will fit in the square hole and not spin while torquing. But hex bolts would work, I'd think.
    XL BGE, 22" Weber Red Head, Fiesta Gasser .... Peoria,AZ
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  • EggHead_Bubba
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    Durangler said:
    I'd stick with carriage bolts as the square neck will fit in the square hole and not spin while torquing. But hex bolts would work, I'd think.
    Lowe's didn't have grade 5 carriage bolts. I'll try Home Depot tomorrow and see what they have. Thanks

    Rocky Top, TN — Large BGE • Cast Iron Grate & Platesetter • Rockwood Lump

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  • Durangler
    Durangler Posts: 1,122
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    I think both Big Box Home Stores carry stainless steel, but not sure of the grade.
    Experts chime in on the SS option, Please!
    Good luck with your search.
    XL BGE, 22" Weber Red Head, Fiesta Gasser .... Peoria,AZ
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,102
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    Stainless steel is no stronger than grade 3.
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    henapple said:
    @EggHead_Bubba‌ ....Where Are You Located?
    Knoxville... born and raised in Nashville.
    I knew you guys were OK! See my avi. I grew up in ET, went to UT, and live in Sarasota, FL now.
    Sarasota, FL via Boynton Beach, FL, via Sarasota, FL, via Charleston, SC, via The Outer Banks, via God's Country (East TN on Ft. Loudon Lake)
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  • DaveRichardson
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    Any good auto shops around????  They might have them!  Might be the same as Lowes, not the carriage-style, but its an option I've used before!

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  • nick_banich
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    When I had to replace my dome and bands my dealer gave me this nifty little tool their install crews have to keep the hinge closed. Plastic piece with two holes spaced evenly to put diagonally across the hinge on 2 bokts. I'll try to remember to take a pic when I get home. (On the road today and tomorrow)
    -Large BGE since 6-13
    -Indianapolis, IN

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  • EggHead_Bubba
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    nick_banich said:
    When I had to replace my dome and bands my dealer gave me this nifty little tool their install crews have to keep the hinge closed. Plastic piece with two holes spaced evenly to put diagonally across the hinge on 2 bokts. I'll try to remember to take a pic when I get home. (On the road today and tomorrow)
    That would be great. Thanks!

    Rocky Top, TN — Large BGE • Cast Iron Grate & Platesetter • Rockwood Lump

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  • BRush00
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    nick_banich said:
    When I had to replace my dome and bands my dealer gave me this nifty little tool their install crews have to keep the hinge closed. Plastic piece with two holes spaced evenly to put diagonally across the hinge on 2 bokts. I'll try to remember to take a pic when I get home. (On the road today and tomorrow)

    Unless they've got some special tool (which I doubt), these sound like the shipping/hinge-retainers that come from the factory.  my Large came with two (one on each side of the hinge), good thing I kept them in my toolbox as I've used them quite a few times now.
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    EggHead_Bubba said:


    henapple said:

    @EggHead_Bubba‌ ....Where Are You Located?

    Knoxville... born and raised in Nashville.

    The Boro here
    Green egg, dead animal and alcohol. The "Boro".. TN 
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  • onedbguru
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    When I did mine, I didn't zip-tie and didn't have any problems
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  • sstripes96
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    The traffic was horrible on I-85 yesterday so I detoured past the Mothership  because it was then on my way home. I asked what I needed to do to get somethings replaced under warranty. Since I didn't have the parts with me, they asked if I had pictures. As a matter of fact I did. Within 3 minutes I was walking out with a new under warranty fire ring and fire box. They even carried the boxes out to the truck for me. What great customer service.
    Bud
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    Lawrenceville, GA
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  • EggHead_Bubba
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    Stopped by my local BGE dealer and they gave me two of those white plastic band/spring holders! I think I'm in business now to change out me dome this weekend!

    Rocky Top, TN — Large BGE • Cast Iron Grate & Platesetter • Rockwood Lump

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  • EggHead_Bubba
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    Well darn, the plastic retainers I picked up from the dealer don't fit over the bolts! What the heck? Going to have to try zip ties and figure out where to put them to keep the spring from unloading.

    Rocky Top, TN — Large BGE • Cast Iron Grate & Platesetter • Rockwood Lump

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