Rutland gasket fibers

I hope more experienced eggers chime in here, but with my LBGE after a while, both caps fit well after a bit of grease is built up. With the ceramic cap, it doesn't fit TIGHT, but it does put out the fire rather quickly.
More here will have a say in this.
Thanks, Bob

I glued some original gasket material in mine. Works like a charm.

 
..."they have tested it for safety on woodstoves and fireplaces and they have not tested it for safety on anything else, so they recommend against using it on anything else". (Doug/TNW, 3/25/2008)

...As to the ceramic and Rutland gaskets, both of the manufacturers say their product is not intended for or recommend to be used as a grill gasket. So use those at your own risk. (Bobby-Q/BGE, 8/30/2009)

Bobby-Q Made had another post about Rutland, however, it appears that post was pulled from the forum.

"has not been approved for use around food"

or
TNW - "so they (Rutland) recommend against"
BobbyQ - "is not intended"

Evidently my comment "do not use around food" is taking too big of a leap.

As I stated above, call BGE. That was stated in case anyone had concerns so no one needed to put any weight in my comments.

Kent

Kent,

Hate to disagree but Fidel is right on with his statement. Know your sources.

Steve

Kent,

I really don't want to be disagreeable with you on this, but quoting posts from a couple forum members is a little different from a representative of the production company, or the FDA, or other authorities. Why not quote posts from me, stike, and a handful of others? Perhaps because they disagree with your stance on this argument?

Nothing against Bobby, he is extremely knowledgeable about the egg and cooking, but materials safety isn't his area of expertise.

Nothing against Fred, but he's a salesman of guitars and grills. I don't know him and have only spoken with him briefly, but I don't believe he has the requisite knowledge to make the statement he made.

And the whiz, well, I respect him as a scientist and an author. Maybe you should dig deeper on his site and see where he has published the following:

""We do not have an authorized statement for the use of Nomex® around food. Nomex® is not FDA approved."" - The DuPont Corporation

And deduced from the MSDS on Nomex:

"So, apparently exposure to temperatures above 572° F can release Hydrogen Cyanide. This is certainly possible when using a ceramic charcoal cooker"

The context of Rutland's statements has been "it hasn't been tested or approved, so we cannot recommend it for use around food." In fact, the letter from Rutland to The Naked Whiz states precisely that fact - they have no test data to indicate it is safe. The corollary is that they also do not have any test data to indicate it is dangerous. There HAS BEEN NO TESTING DONE. I'm sorry you can't see the distinction between that and the contrary position you take.

The MSDS for fiberglass indicates the only danger is from inhalation. The MSDS for graphite indicates there are no health dangers.

So, honestly, the evidence would seem to say that nomex gaskets are inherently more dangerous than rutland. But don't let silly things like facts and data get in the way of your preconceived conclusions.

 
Quoted the exact statements and sources above Steve.

Kent

Thanks for chiming in TNW. I hope you don't mind that I used some info from your site in my last post on this matter.

As David byrne always says, "stop making sense"

one more vote for rational thought. (like that ever makes adifference, though)

Well, their product is not intended to be used in any sort of food application, so why would they want to spend money commissioning a study about the safety of doing so? I'm sure if you called them up and asked them if it was safe to use it as weatherstripping on your windows, they would give an identical answer. And that's really all they can say. It is safe to use on a woodstove, but they don't know if it is safe to use for anything else.

it does seem as though Rutland doesn't have an interest in testing for food safety, although I'm not sure why, if it turns out testing proves its safe, they could sell more of the stuff; however, "no lawsuit liability"? Are you suggesting that if they tested and found out it is unsafe for application on the egg somehow that would open the door for liability? That would only be so if they did the testing, found out it was unsafe, then advertized it as safe... if they continue to maintain its only application is its original application and should not be used for food, there is no liability if some numbnut injures or kills him/herself while cooking/eating a fatty on the Rutlanded Egg

I try to make it a point never to be cranky. Ok, well, never let it show.... :woohoo:

People eating high fat diets talking about things being unhealthy

that's rich.

Well I'm not planning on having anymore baby's so I guess I'm safe to put the rutland on the mini :huh: I have it on the other eggs and don't see the problem based on everything I've read unless I'm making a rutland sandwich with the leftover. I wonder if it's safe to use as a seal on my coffin when I die, with all the reading I didn't see where it was approved for caskets

 
My original comment above "is not designed or safe for use around food". I guess there is a problem with me taking the leap that fiberglass "is not safe" for use around food.

I respect your comments, stike's comments and an "hand full of others", however, I am not sure if there is or is not any more experience or knowledge more or less than Bobby or Fred or BGE Service.

I don't know any of these people personally and maybe I am too gullible, however, I am hard pressed to think BGE (John, Bobby, Bruce) or Fred would lie or mis-lead with their comments.

Fred is a very good marketer, however, I don't think he would go to the extent of lying as to what Rutland stressed to him and that he repeated in his post about. I believe I put a link to his comments above also.

There was a post earlier today about BGE not recommending Nomex, it would be interesting to know if that is factual. In early 2008 I was told, BGE was working on a new/another material other than Nomex which was supposed to resolve the gasket issue once and for all. I hadn't heard anything since that time, nor have I inquired.

Kent