Question about VOC\'s

 
"I'm sort of excited" now that is scary my friend. :laugh: :laugh:

A while back the neighbors house burned down and the Fire Chief was in our yard working the fire. When things slowed down and during the investigation we got to talking about the fire, how it developed and progressed as well as some bbq talk.

I had had my medium which I have had some problems with starting and getting to temperature. I did some cooking for the crew and we got to more talking about fire.

What I posted was some of the tings we talked about and also what got me to experimenting with the flow of air in the egg. That was partly where I got the idea about putting the foil rope between the outside of the fire ring and egg wall.

Angry, not really.

Kent

-NT-

Uh Kent, you just replied to yourself Just sayin.

Steve

We've had some pretty good bar fights in here..but you guys done tore the place up bad..and somebodies payin....settle up at the door..and lets go cook somethin...better yet..lets go get drunk and be somebody....

They can have at it all they want....I just want my cut...tryin to differ the costs of my next fest..and not walk away with any bruises myself... ...

It's all good my friend....least it sure as hell should be.....seems like a lot of tension in here lately..not that I'm not responsible for my share..but I think ya hear me..

 
See what your post did...

Thanks for letting me know.

Kent

 

Yes dear..I know I owe you lunch...but lets not talk about it right now... :laugh: some times humble pie comes in strange forms...this place is just plain freaky anymore..

when talking about VOC's, "volatile" does not necessarily mean flammable. volatile in this case means readily tending to vaporize. carpets and paints give of VOCs, new car smell is laden with VOCs.

VOCs are a very specific class of things.

flour burhing when it becomes airborne, as dust, is an example of a phenomenon that is very dangerous, yes. we get it. silos have been known to explode that way.

but being organic as you say, and being able to be burnde, is not what scientists mean when they talk about volatile organic compounds.

you may have misunderstood your instructor. airborne dust is explosive, but that doesn't make it fall under the classification of a Voltile Organic Compound.

to repeat... "volatile" does not necessarily mean explosive, or even flammable. but Volatile Organic Compounds are almost always flammable. and they all tend to be gasses. by tend i don't mean "most are on average" i mean tend, as in part of their definition is that they will become gas easily.

there's quite a bit wrong with the information you used to slam GG (many paints, carpets, etc.contain VOCs, -ex.>formaldehyde- and there's a massive movement to eliminate them from common products) , and your entire position seems to be one that "your instructor told you so".

i know you don't think you need to read up on VOCs, but it really appears you do.

not trying to berate you, but when you take GG and slam him to the mat like that, you should be correct. and if you aren't correct, you should be aware of it.

same for me. when i say something i "think" to be true, i always try to qualify it ("i think.." "i've heard..." "is it true that....?").

the most common one is methane. they are always going to end up as a gas, because that is what they mean by volatile in this case. although many are flammable, i don't think that's necessarily so.

under your definition, a 2x4 is a volatile organic compound. it's flammable, and organic. and yet it is not a VOC....

i used to think it was odd when old-timers wuld drop off the forum three or four at a time. i could never understand their frustration.
but i see it now.

i can see why all of a sudden yer thinkin "what ever happened to that guy..". and when someone pings him (sorry man!) he responds "i just couldn't put up with the foolishness anymore"

speaking of vanished people.
where's my buddy max? i hope everything's ok. i know he's gotten slammed with snow too, but not like him to be away so long.

do you take notes when running three "discussions" :laugh: sometimes im glad i dont post at night, way less frustrating

 
I clearly realize there is a difference between physics and chemistry. I also know the world is not flat.

Rather than expound on how I was "tutored incorrectly" I simply was hoping you would share your knowledge as to how lump (carbon) burned differently than how wood burns. If the difference is only the flash point, that was stated in prior posts.

Further, it was you or CW that asked me if I was not burning lump in egg. My comment was the wood and lump(carbon) when heated produces 'off gasses'. It is my understanding that those gasses are what is burning. Again, I asked for clarification and the posts went into spontaneous combustion and other such...

Kent

i didn't ask if you weren't burning lump. i told you that you were NOT burning wood. you posted over and over how wood burned, that it "ogg gassed" and that the gasses were what burned. wonderful. but that's got nothing to do with the discussion, since we don't burn wood in the egg. we burn lump.

i am not going to walk you and CW down VOC lane. there's plenty of info out there as to what they are.

christ. how did i get you pete and jeffersonian jumping on my ass tonight?

You might review that other thread and revise and extend your remarks about who's the jumper and who's the jumpee, amigo.