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OT--Post Season Baseball
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tikigriller said:Here we go!!! Even Year equals torture Giants Baseball heading towards another World Series. The Dodgers are going to regret not eliminating us this weekend!tikigriller said:Here we go!!! Even Year equals torture Giants Baseball heading towards another World Series. The Dodgers are going to regret not eliminating us this weekend!
If we can get the east cost umpires to make some decent calls we might actually make it out of the fist round this yearHermosa Beach CA -
Umps definitely wanted the Cubs it seemed. I think baseball and TV wanted the Cubs.
162 exposes a teams weakness. Not like that weakness goes away when it turns to October and the pressure goes up. At least it is clear what area the Giants need to fix in the off season.Just bought an Egg? Here is what you get to look forward to now:
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Same umps that we're giving Cueto 6" off the plate in game 1. Rose colored glasses. It rubs both ways. I wouldn't want their job. HD slo mo replays. No way.tikigriller said:Umps definitely wanted the Cubs it seemed. I think baseball and TV wanted the Cubs.
162 exposes a teams weakness. Not like that weakness goes away when it turns to October and the pressure goes up. At least it is clear what area the Giants need to fix in the off season. -
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They missed a replay call. Twice! How do you miss replay!?!?!
They arent why the Giants lost and I am not saying it is, but the replay results are fairly indisputable. Everyone could see it. First in the Mets game and then again in the Cubs series.
If anyone thinks that there is not an east coast bias for TV ratings and the timing of the games, then they really don't understand how powerful money is.Just bought an Egg? Here is what you get to look forward to now:
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Don't follow baseball too much, but with only the one team to cheer for her goes "go Blue Jays"
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At this point I just want anyone but the Cubs or dodgers. Dodgers for all the obvious reasons, and Cubs because a large percentage of their fans are running around talking like they already won the World Series, which I think they will, but when a Cubs fan starts to sound like a yankee fan it's time to put things back into their rightful place in the world. Brag AFTER you win a championship in less than 100 years. You should not be allowed to brag until then. LOL
I take bavk my umpire comments. I don't like it to sound like orange colored glasses or sour grapes, it just mystifies me how they can miss a replay call no matter what sport or who it is against.Just bought an Egg? Here is what you get to look forward to now:
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They miss lots of calls, nature of the beast. It's always more noticeable and memorable when the game is important and I've never tried to keep track.
Re bias and $, I can't see that seeping into the umpiring, but maybe I'm just too naive.
I agree on the replays, I am truly baffled by some of those. We need Robots!
Of the teams left, I'd love to see a Cleveland v Cubs WS, and wouldn't mind seeing the Cubs win, although that would kill what has been a great storyline for years/decades/centuries -
I don't think it is really bias, or a way to screw west coast teams, it is really just simple math. TV networks pay a lot of money to be able to broadcast these games and they would rather not start games when most of the country is heading to bed.tikigriller said:
If anyone thinks that there is not an east coast bias for TV ratings and the timing of the games, then they really don't understand how powerful money is.LBGE
Pikesville, MD
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Agreed.Acn said:
I don't think it is really bias, or a way to screw west coast teams, it is really just simple math. TV networks pay a lot of money to be able to broadcast these games and they would rather not start games when most of the country is heading to bed.tikigriller said:
If anyone thinks that there is not an east coast bias for TV ratings and the timing of the games, then they really don't understand how powerful money is.
Regular season games start times are oriented to the home team market and that is the way it should be but in post season play it's important to try and schedule playoff games at a time when the most people will be able to watch. Both from a fan perspective and a financial one.“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk -
Well assuming the fix is in, how is that not an east coast bias? That is exactly why there is a bias....it's for the east coast and those teams that just happen to be there.HeavyG said:
Agreed.Acn said:
I don't think it is really bias, or a way to screw west coast teams, it is really just simple math. TV networks pay a lot of money to be able to broadcast these games and they would rather not start games when most of the country is heading to bed.tikigriller said:
If anyone thinks that there is not an east coast bias for TV ratings and the timing of the games, then they really don't understand how powerful money is.
Regular season games start times are oriented to the home team market and that is the way it should be but in post season play it's important to try and schedule playoff games at a time when the most people will be able to watch. Both from a fan perspective and a financial one.
If if the world really is still dark like the Black sox, then there is no doubt the networks all want Cubs to be in the series as no matter who they play against, they will have the strongest pull.Just bought an Egg? Here is what you get to look forward to now:
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I don't get at all what you are trying to say.tikigriller said:
Well assuming the fix is in, how is that not an east coast bias? That is exactly why there is a bias....it's for the east coast and those teams that just happen to be there.HeavyG said:
Agreed.Acn said:
I don't think it is really bias, or a way to screw west coast teams, it is really just simple math. TV networks pay a lot of money to be able to broadcast these games and they would rather not start games when most of the country is heading to bed.tikigriller said:
If anyone thinks that there is not an east coast bias for TV ratings and the timing of the games, then they really don't understand how powerful money is.
Regular season games start times are oriented to the home team market and that is the way it should be but in post season play it's important to try and schedule playoff games at a time when the most people will be able to watch. Both from a fan perspective and a financial one.
If if the world really is still dark like the Black sox, then there is no doubt the networks all want Cubs to be in the series as no matter who they play against, they will have the strongest pull.
Scheduling start times in order to maximize the potential audience for a televised event is hardly the same thing as believing that there is a dark cigar smoke filled room where Masters of The Universe are deciding which teams will win certain games in order to achieve their pre-decided outcome.
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk -
Last year Rangers were not pleased with the Bautista bat flip ....
so this year Gomez retaliated with this:
http://mlb.mlb.com/images/7/6/6/205556766/100916_tex_gomez_bat_flip_med_f94i88co.gif
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That is what I am saying. Or that is what some think. The Umpires are told, when a play is close, to give it to "X" team as an effort to hopefully get the teams the networks and MLB wants to have advance to the next round.
I don't like to think it to be true. 99% of my being believes it is straight up, and if there was a cigar filled room, that it would have come out by now in all the books that pro athletes write unless it goes so deep that if they speak about it, they lose major money or something, but now I am getting out of control.
Do I think the four big sports are fixed? No, not really...but it is and always will be, throughout history, questionable when an umpire blows an obvious call like the one against the Cardinals was it a long time ago, where the call was so bad at first base, the umpire got death threats, etc. This was long before replay...and then two Replay Calls that you can easily tell in the replay the guy was out yet called safe in this post season for the Giants.
This is not sour grapes...and this is heading down a path that ultimately is probably not even worth debate, as I side with the 'Good and Innocent" side much more so than I do the "Dark and demented" side!
Now...ask me if Boxing is Fixed? The Olympics or any sport that is "judged" and not decided by scoring.......that is exactly why I do not watch those sports because I do think they are almost all fixed in some fashion or another.
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I have been listening to 95.7 all day, I'm loving today lol
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Figured it was a Bay Area station-just googled it. No wonder you are dialed in
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BYS1981 said:I have been listening to 95.7 all day, I'm loving today lol
I imagine you follow the A's and are enjoying the Giant's finally behaving like the A's do in the post season by losing in the first round......misery loves company as they say!Just bought an Egg? Here is what you get to look forward to now:
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This I understand and can sympathize with, I think mentioning start times is what threw us off on this loop. Ultimately though, I think we're in the same spot, when using humans there will always be human error.tikigriller said:That is what I am saying. Or that is what some think. The Umpires are told, when a play is close, to give it to "X" team as an effort to hopefully get the teams the networks and MLB wants to have advance to the next round.
I don't like to think it to be true. 99% of my being believes it is straight up, and if there was a cigar filled room, that it would have come out by now in all the books that pro athletes write unless it goes so deep that if they speak about it, they lose major money or something, but now I am getting out of control.
Do I think the four big sports are fixed? No, not really...but it is and always will be, throughout history, questionable when an umpire blows an obvious call like the one against the Cardinals was it a long time ago, where the call was so bad at first base, the umpire got death threats, etc. This was long before replay...and then two Replay Calls that you can easily tell in the replay the guy was out yet called safe in this post season for the Giants.
This is not sour grapes...and this is heading down a path that ultimately is probably not even worth debate, as I side with the 'Good and Innocent" side much more so than I do the "Dark and demented" side!
Now...ask me if Boxing is Fixed? The Olympics or any sport that is "judged" and not decided by scoring.......that is exactly why I do not watch those sports because I do think they are almost all fixed in some fashion or another.
I would also agree that Fox and MLB probably like to see the Cubs in the WS, the story of 100+ years, the called shot, the billy goat, Bartman, etc and the 3rd largest city in the country would make for great ratings. But I really don't think they'd do anything overt to swing the series to them.LBGE
Pikesville, MD
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I'm sure the networks and MLB are enjoying the run the Cubs are having but I can't believe that anyone really believes that umpires/MLB/TV have been in cahoots since opening day to get the Cubs to where they are now. And remember, it's not over till it's over - the Cubs haven't won the whole enchilada yet. They could still lose, thus taking another conspiracy theory down with them.Acn said:
This I understand and can sympathize with, I think mentioning start times is what threw us off on this loop. Ultimately though, I think we're in the same spot, when using humans there will always be human error.tikigriller said:That is what I am saying. Or that is what some think. The Umpires are told, when a play is close, to give it to "X" team as an effort to hopefully get the teams the networks and MLB wants to have advance to the next round.
I don't like to think it to be true. 99% of my being believes it is straight up, and if there was a cigar filled room, that it would have come out by now in all the books that pro athletes write unless it goes so deep that if they speak about it, they lose major money or something, but now I am getting out of control.
Do I think the four big sports are fixed? No, not really...but it is and always will be, throughout history, questionable when an umpire blows an obvious call like the one against the Cardinals was it a long time ago, where the call was so bad at first base, the umpire got death threats, etc. This was long before replay...and then two Replay Calls that you can easily tell in the replay the guy was out yet called safe in this post season for the Giants.
This is not sour grapes...and this is heading down a path that ultimately is probably not even worth debate, as I side with the 'Good and Innocent" side much more so than I do the "Dark and demented" side!
Now...ask me if Boxing is Fixed? The Olympics or any sport that is "judged" and not decided by scoring.......that is exactly why I do not watch those sports because I do think they are almost all fixed in some fashion or another.
I would also agree that Fox and MLB probably like to see the Cubs in the WS, the story of 100+ years, the called shot, the billy goat, Bartman, etc and the 3rd largest city in the country would make for great ratings. But I really don't think they'd do anything overt to swing the series to them.
I'm not a fan of instant replay (especially as currently implemented by MLB). Umps are human and they only get to see a play from one angle in realtime. It's easy for for us fans to second guess them when we get the chance to see a play from a half-dozen angles in slow motion numerous times.“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk -
I agree with you, but they could influence a game. None of the bad calls made the Giants lose. It's just about influence. Perhaps there is an angle in New York when watching a replay we don't get to see that changes everything.
I believe it to be real and not fixed or I would not watch. Umpires also have to make split second choices. For the most part, I never fault them on the field, it's when they get replay possibly wrong based on what we get to see that mystifies me.Just bought an Egg? Here is what you get to look forward to now:
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I am old but there is the human element in play here. I'm with the replay for any play (any sport) that results in a questionable score (likely most important in the very low scoring matches like soccer) given the technology. And the various challenge rules make sense.
But to slo-mo, stop frame for every questionable call is going too far.
Interestingly, a related input-some question why swim meets don't time to the thousandth of a second given technology. The public answer is that the pool/lane construction variables are outside that specification. Works for me.
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Haven't watched baseball in years until now. I'm done with the NFL so baseball is filling in.VA Beach
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In about 172 days we start all over. Its gonna be a long winter wait for me.
Not to get technical, but according to chemistry alcohol is a solution...
Large & Small BGE
Stockton Ca.
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^^^ Wicked travel days right there Will they stoop to a bus?? Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win. Life is too short for light/lite beer! Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
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Not to get technical, but according to chemistry alcohol is a solution...
Large & Small BGE
Stockton Ca.
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You need a beer, grab a beer!Just bought an Egg? Here is what you get to look forward to now:
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Or pull a Trumptikigriller said:You need a beer, grab a beer! -
I really do feel so bad for Boche. Poor guy had nothing to work with at all. He could have had another ring this year if Evans would have gotten him a damn closer.Just bought an Egg? Here is what you get to look forward to now:
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