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All that chatter about that new weber and now dead silence?

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RRP
RRP Posts: 25,888
edited April 2016 in EggHead Forum
Talk about something that passed through and exited quickly! Like the Halley's Comet of want to be kamados! Granted this is the BGE forum, but the chatter was here in anticipation and then roll out, but nothing since. Or have the buffalos been stomping the threads?
Re-gasketing America one yard at a time.
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  • Hans61
    Hans61 Posts: 3,901
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    I'm interested to hear from somebody who bought one. Havent seen many YouTube videos from other than the company yet. 
    “There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body.”
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
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    Dead on the brethren too.
    A bison’s level of aggressiveness, both physical and passive, is legendary. - NPS
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  • GregW
    GregW Posts: 2,677
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    Yes, nothing like an outrageous, unrealistic price to dampen enthusiasm. 
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  • epcotisbest
    epcotisbest Posts: 2,171
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    There is a full review on a website that features some amazing ribs. They seem impressed and still able to write about it without fainting at the price point. Air as an insulator...who would have thunk it? Don't know how I got the idea this thing was going to be a ceramic kamado.
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  • pgprescott
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    They are pretty nice. Nicer than I anticipated.  I am reserving judgement until we fire up the reps demo unit. They are a heavier and more polished unit in person. Price point is high, but seeing them in person, i think they will sell at a similar rate as the rest of the summit series. 
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  • RRP
    RRP Posts: 25,888
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    pgprescott said:
    They are pretty nice. Nicer than I anticipated.  I am reserving judgement until we fire up the reps demo unit. They are a heavier and more polished unit in person. Price point is high, but seeing them in person, i think they will sell at a similar rate as the rest of the summit series. 
    Since you are a dual dealer of BGE plus Weber, may I ask a question? Will you stock one of these or are they by special order only? I can see where a Weber dealer would be hesitant to gamble that someone will walk in wanting one and then walk out if he couldn't take it home right then. Also is your BGE rep Peter E. out of Fargo?
    Re-gasketing America one yard at a time.
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    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Dead on the brethren too.
    Nope. Fresh thread. From Baby Back Maniac. 
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  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544
    edited April 2016
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    RRP said:
    pgprescott said:
    They are pretty nice. Nicer than I anticipated.  I am reserving judgement until we fire up the reps demo unit. They are a heavier and more polished unit in person. Price point is high, but seeing them in person, i think they will sell at a similar rate as the rest of the summit series. 
    Since you are a dual dealer of BGE plus Weber, may I ask a question? Will you stock one of these or are they by special order only? I can see where a Weber dealer would be hesitant to gamble that someone will walk in wanting one and then walk out if he couldn't take it home right then. Also is your BGE rep Peter E. out of Fargo?
    We have them both in stock and one of each assembled. Only Weber Alliance dealers are suppose to be able to get them. If someone wants them, they'll be in our store most likely. 


    Peter is a north suburb guy. Works for Northern plains @Fargo. Used to sell us high end appliances like subzero and wolf back in the day. 
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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,344
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    A few people on other forums have bought them and put up some pics and videos. Looks nice. Solid.

    At $2K still not interested. At $1K I'd buy one tomorrow.

    On the other hand FedEx just dropped off my new smoker today so I'm not likely to buy another cooker this year. Ok...if Weber did drop the price (which they won't) I would still go ahead and get one and retire my trust old kettle.
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  • RRP
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    pgprescott said:


    Peter is a north suburb guy. Works for Northern plains @Fargo. Used to sell us high end appliances like subzero and wolf back in the day. 
    Yes - I know him, I just was wondering if he was your BGE rep also, or if his territory was further South of you.
    Re-gasketing America one yard at a time.
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  • Hans61
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    yljkt said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Dead on the brethren too.
    Nope. Fresh thread. From Baby Back Maniac. 
    I just watched maniacs YouTube video of his unboxing it's pretty sweet! Like the Star Wars band aid!
    “There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body.”
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    RRP said:
    pgprescott said:


    Peter is a north suburb guy. Works for Northern plains @Fargo. Used to sell us high end appliances like subzero and wolf back in the day. 
    Yes - I know him, I just was wondering if he was your BGE rep also, or if his territory was further South of you.
    He has from the Mississippi to Chicago, up the the cheddar curtain. 

    One nice feature of the Weber is that the Rep. loaded it in his utility van by himself after the cold demo in our shop. 
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  • shadowcaster
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    I am very curious to see how the reviews go. I am a huge Weber fan. However I am looking at buying an XL aND I have a hard time believing that I would buy the weber over the XL egg when it comes down to it.  I have 3 Eggs and 3 webers but my eggs are my go to. I have a smokey mountain and a performer up north and a smokey Joe at deer camp. My eggs are at home and get daily use and get used more for a reason.
    Pure Michigan
    Large BGE, Medium BGE, Mini BGE, Weber Smokey Mountain, Weber Performer.
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  • cookingdude555
    cookingdude555 Posts: 3,194
    edited April 2016
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    I went and saw one and was really impressed.  Selling the small and large egg to begin the funding venture.  Five eggs is too many (plus I haven't used these two eggs in years, the XL and Medium are my go to eggs).  I competes directly with the XL, and at $1500 for the standalone, with the indirect setup, it competes pretty well on price.  A nice stainless table/cart?  I am sure the XL with a similar cart setup would be close to $2000 as well.  They have done their homework, I unfortunately believe it is priced close to correct (I wish it was lower, but I also wish a loaded XL cost only 700).  I am sure almost no one agrees with me, but Weber has done their homework on this.  You don't own 35% of the US BBQ market share bumbling around trying to compete with bubba kegs on price.  You make a quality product and give the high end market a run for the money.  I dont have the link, but there was a Weber engineer that was talking about how he had been grilling on this thing for a few years.  This is not a product they developed last fall and decided to launch it this summer.

    Will it cook better than an egg, I dont think so.  I also dont believe it will cook worse.  I like the features it offers, I think it is very cool.  I want one.  Already sold the large to my brother, looking to sell the small.  Im in Salt Lake City Utah if anyone wants to seriously make an offer.
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  • blasting
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    @cookingdude555   I respect your opinion, especially since you went and laid hands on one.  I remain skeptical, but I have not touched one yet.

    I am a weber fan, and frankly for grilling I figure a kettle is just as good as an egg.  For a smoker though, I think I'll stick with team green.  I will take a look though.



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  • Darby_Crenshaw
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    Air is a better insulator than ceramic, FWIW. 
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
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    Darby_Crenshaw said:
    Air is a better insulator than ceramic, FWIW. 
    As long as the air is not moving.  Vacuum is even better.
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  • egger ave
    egger ave Posts: 721
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    When's the last time you went to a Weberfest?
    1 Large BGE, 1 Mini BGE, 1 Minimax BGE, Original wife and 3 dogs living in the heart of BBQ country in Round Rock Texas. 

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  • Darby_Crenshaw
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    Vacuum is better yeah, probably not practical on a grill, but maybe someday. 

    I was just pointing it out because more than a few people were mocking the idea, when it's really basic fact

    it's why wrapping pork butt in towels (in FTC) actually steals heat from the pork faster.

    If you leave a pork butt on the counter, sure, trap it in towels. Because it will otherwise cool given the large amount if circulating room air which would cool it

    but in a cooler, it will be better to not wrap it in towels (foil sure). Once the small anount of air in the cooler is warmed, cooling really can't happen at the same rate. 

    But comparatively cooler towels are a heat sink. You lose more heat warming those towels than you would to the air inside the cooler

     No one would advocate putting a large amount of room temp water in the cooler, because the butt would give up heat to it. But it's the same for the towels. In both cases (on the counter and in the cooler) they take heat from the pork

    but on the counter, the towels are the only insulation you have. The air they trap insulates, even though you lose heat to the mass of the towels. Without them, the constant supply or circulating room air would continually cool the pork. So the towels make sense

    in the cooler, the cooler itself is the insulator.  the trapped interior air, which will rise in temp, sure, is trapped though. It will quickly get warm and then the pork stops losing heat, since the air is the same temp and not circutlaing and continually cooling it. But towels would suck additional heat as their mass (more than a pound possibly) gets warmed by the pork. That's more energy than it takes to heat just the air. And then after the towels are hot, the air itself will be warmed. 

    (which of course means that instead of just realizing this and ditching the towels,  people will now be advocating microwaving the towels before putting them in. Hahaha)
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  • chadpsualum
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    epcotisbest said:
    There is a full review on a website that features some amazing ribs. They seem impressed and still able to write about it without fainting at the price point. Air as an insulator...who would have thunk it? Don't know how I got the idea this thing was going to be a ceramic kamado.
    Is it 'air' insulated or 'absence of air' insulated?  The latter makes sense since a vacuum is technically a perfect insulator.
    North Pittsburgh, PA
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  • Legume
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    Nah, just toss them in the dryer for a few minutes.

    I hope weber does well with this grill, I hope it performs well.  I'm glad to see more focus from a huge company like weber on a charcoal grill and the increased competition and focus has to be good for all of us consumers.  The price may be close based on their market research, but I think what most of us balk at is its DNA is clearly the enameled weber kettle that we all bought years ago for $60-70 as our first real grill and that's hard to get past.
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  • DieselkW
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    @Darby_Crenshaw- are you a mechanical engineer?, you seem to be fluent in thermodynamics and fluid flow.

    What I'm pondering is the heat loss from a metallic substrate. If it's true, as you say, that air is a better insulator than ceramic, I won't bother to refute that, but I can put my hand on the exterior of my egg. My infra red thermometer shows approximately 100f difference between interior and exterior.

    Now, the Weber is designed to use air as an insulator, but what about the heat transfer properties of the exterior? If that thermal insulator is losing heat to atmosphere, the cooled air will drop, warmed air will rise, and create a convection in the annular space due to heat loss.

    I'm wondering, and maybe you can tell me where my logic is incorrect; if the Weber is metal, with the heat transfer properties of metal, it doesn't much matter if air is a better insulator than ceramic, this contraption will spill waste heat into the atmosphere.

    My opinion, but I am fairly certain it will use more lump than a Big Green Egg for the same cook, same temp, same duration.

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  • fishlessman
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    this weber opens the door for another bge price increase =)
    fukahwee maine

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  • Zippylip
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    Darby_Crenshaw said:

    but in a cooler, it will be better to not wrap it in towels (foil sure). Once the small anount of air in the cooler is warmed, cooling really can't happen at the same rate.
    tried that once, once.  Melted a nice hole in the bottom of my Coleman.

    Thankfully I hadn't walked off the yeti cliff before that debacle (or since)
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  • epcotisbest
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    chadpsualum said:
    epcotisbest said:
    There is a full review on a website that features some amazing ribs. They seem impressed and still able to write about it without fainting at the price point. Air as an insulator...who would have thunk it? Don't know how I got the idea this thing was going to be a ceramic kamado.
    Is it 'air' insulated or 'absence of air' insulated?  The latter makes sense since a vacuum is technically a perfect insulator.
    Directly from the Weber website specs description:
    • Porcelain-enameled, air-insulated, double-walled bowl and lid
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  • Darby_Crenshaw
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    DieselkW said:
    @Darby_Crenshaw- are you a mechanical engineer?, you seem to be fluent in thermodynamics and fluid flow.

    What I'm pondering is the heat loss from a metallic substrate. If it's true, as you say, that air is a better insulator than ceramic, I won't bother to refute that, but I can put my hand on the exterior of my egg. My infra red thermometer shows approximately 100f difference between interior and exterior.

    Now, the Weber is designed to use air as an insulator, but what about the heat transfer properties of the exterior? If that thermal insulator is losing heat to atmosphere, the cooled air will drop, warmed air will rise, and create a convection in the annular space due to heat loss.

    I'm wondering, and maybe you can tell me where my logic is incorrect; if the Weber is metal, with the heat transfer properties of metal, it doesn't much matter if air is a better insulator than ceramic, this contraption will spill waste heat into the atmosphere.

    My opinion, but I am fairly certain it will use more lump than a Big Green Egg for the same cook, same temp, same duration.
    too many "Ifs" and assumptions to respond too.

    air is a better insulator than ceramic. 

    all other details need to be seen and experienced in person before i would even begin to reply.

    "opinions" don't enter into it.


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  • chadpsualum
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    DieselkW said:
    @Darby_Crenshaw- are you a mechanical engineer?, you seem to be fluent in thermodynamics and fluid flow.


    He could also be a Chemical Engineer.  We know things about Thermo and Fluid Dynamics as well...
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