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Grinding Meat for Burgers??
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HendersonTRKing
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While I've typically used pre-packaged 80-20 with very good results on the CI, for some time now I've been intrigued by the idea of selecting my own cuts and grinding/forming my own patties.
Anyone doing this on the regular? Is it worth the extra effort or is it another Mt. Everest to climb? What cuts and proportions are preferred? Do you mix in seasoning or egg or any fillers/binders? Any tips or things to avoid in the process? (Cue the "careful putting your meat in the grinder" jokes . . .)
Seriously, would appreciate any thoughts/suggestions.
Anyone doing this on the regular? Is it worth the extra effort or is it another Mt. Everest to climb? What cuts and proportions are preferred? Do you mix in seasoning or egg or any fillers/binders? Any tips or things to avoid in the process? (Cue the "careful putting your meat in the grinder" jokes . . .)
Seriously, would appreciate any thoughts/suggestions.
It's a 302 thing . . .
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I liked doing it, but I bought a relatively inexpensive grinder on Amazon, doesn't work the best. It made it more work, because I routinely had to clean my grinder, as it would keep getting clogged. My advice to you, get a quality grinder, with plenty of horsepower.
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Fairfax, Va
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I've ground chuck roast using the grinding attachment on my Kitchenaid. I like it, but I don't know if it's enough of a difference to make it worth it. I'll probably do it more often if I get Foodsaver so I can do 10+ lbs at a time and freeze it for later. Doing a small roast for a single meal is a little more work than it's worth.
LBGE in PHX
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I have been interested in this as well. Interested im more info from "grinders."XL BGEJoe JRBaltimore, MD
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1) I grind almost all my own hamburger meat, but from venison/beef fat, so it isn't really what you are talking about. I do grind a lot of meat though.
2) Grinding it yourself, you know what is the in the ground meat. Some people don't trust grocery stores, don't trust accurate fat/meat ratios, or are worried about more beef recalls.
2)Save money buying the meat whole and grinding it VS buying it pre-ground. In my opinion, you do not save enough to matter, especially after the effort and buying a grinder. I would possibly do this if you ground a lot at once and did it a few times a year.
3) Cuts - you will get a lot of opinions on this, but chuck, sirloin, and brisket are the most common I see. People play with different combinations and fat contents to get a blend they like.
I havent ground more expensive cuts of meat, but a guy a work with does. For special opccasions, he gets Prime Rib Eyes and Filets. He will sear the outside of both, then grind them together to make his patties. Put them back on the grill and cook to a medium rare. He has been doing it for years and swears it is the best hamburger you will ever eat. Seems like a waste of good steaks to me, but this guy spends a lot of money on quality food/dining and has always been dead on with food recommendations.
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I have the simple KitchenAid attachment for my mixer. It's worked fine for my needs. I've also ground chicken breast to make buffalo chicken burgers.Steve
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The main advantage is that, unlike ground beef, you don't need to cook it to 165.
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if you have a kitchen aide, buy the attachment, then go to ebay and buy the bigger plates. now you have lots of options, chili grind, coarse sausages etc. i dont mix and match, but ive bought whole chuck rolls, cut the center out for potroast or pulled beef, and ground the rest
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@HendersonTRKing Grinding chuck or sirloin at home won't really get you much different from buying it from the market. Grinding at home gets it best results if you blend different cuts that are not available in the market.
Try a blend of 2 parts neck, 1 part each of chuck, sirloin, and short rib with a bit of filet (1/2 part). Add enough fat/suet to make up 20-25%. (neck meat adds good flavor but is a pain to get enough off the bones)
Also, egg/fillers = meatloaf. Good, but not a hamburger.Southeast Florida - LBGE
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Kitchenaid attachment. Chuck, boneless beef ribs and ribeyes
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henapple said:
Kitchenaid attachment. Chuck, boneless beef ribs and ribeyes
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jtcBoynton said:... Try a blend of 2 parts neck, 1 part each of chuck, sirloin, and short rib with a bit of filet (1/2 part)...
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Theophan said:jtcBoynton said:... Try a blend of 2 parts neck, 1 part each of chuck, sirloin, and short rib with a bit of filet (1/2 part)...
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Texture - adds a bit of smoothness and acts a binder to help hold things together. Other cuts bring the flavor.Southeast Florida - LBGE
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I buy chuck roasts when on sale to grind. My local place throws ribeye fat rolled in plastic in the counter for free, so add more.
Best burger I've grind was when I got some t-bones/porterhouses on sale cheap and grind them.------------------------------
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jtcBoynton said:Texture - adds a bit of smoothness. Other cuts bring the flavor.
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I did these not long ago and they did NOT suck.
http://eggheadforum.com/discussion/1187507/i-cooked-stuff-it-was-good/p1
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Fresh ground brisket burgers...YummmmThank you,DarianGalveston Texas
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Nice way to use up the thin end of a packer.
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I've done this but used the food processor. Had ground beef in seconds. Just pulsed it till I had the consistency I wanted. Med rare burgers like in the "old days"!--
Jeff
Near Twin Cities, MN
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If the meat has a fair amount of fat it is a good idea to put the meat in the freezer for an hour or so, it will make it easier to go through the grinder.
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fishlessman said:its a good way to use up the skinney tail sectionjtcBoynton said:Texture - adds a bit of smoothness and acts a binder to help hold things together. Other cuts bring the flavor.
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@theophan I steaked out a couple of tenderloins for my sons birthday. All the scraps and a chuck made for 60/40 chuck to tenderloin. Great burgers and meatloaf/meatballs.
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henapple said:
Kitchenaid attachment. Chuck, boneless beef ribs and ribeyes
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i began grinding pork shoulder for sausage about three years ago. Awesome. Then i discovered mixing ground chuck with short rib meat plus a few brisket fat trimmings that i tossed in freezer and forgot about made incredible hamburger. I had kitchen aid attachment but went ahead and got a LEM big bite #12. For this years super bowl i made incredible burgers. Grind equal parts chuck and short rib meat and add another 10% worth of brisket fat to the mix. Be sure fat is frozen when you grind it. Grind on fine plate and pack coarsley. Do NOT press meat together tightly lest you wind up with dense rubbery pucks
As you are loosley mixing meat sprinkle some salt. I dont have a ratio here but use common sense. No other spicing is needed. Then, make patties stacking them between layers of parchment or wax paper and freeze them. Put frozen patties on hot grill for crust formation and flip to other side. Ive had problems with cast iron grill as it held onto the meat too much. Reg stainless grill with thinner grate bars works well. Or use cast iron griddle.
When you start making meatballs from your home ground beef and pork and make home made brats, italian, and polish sausage, you will love it that you decided to venture into meat grinding. It is VERY therapeutic. -
Theophan said:fishlessman said:its a good way to use up the skinney tail sectionjtcBoynton said:Texture - adds a bit of smoothness and acts a binder to help hold things together. Other cuts bring the flavor.Southeast Florida - LBGE
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Grinding your own chop meat for burgers or everyday everyday use is the only way to go. Usually for everyday use I double grind chick roasts once through a coarse plate and then through a fine plate. For burgers I like to make what I call a steak burger. I start with a chuck roast and then grind what I have available. Usually I grind brisket and sirloin with the chuck. I do a double coarse grind as we like the texture that the coarse grind provides. As for a grinder I started out with the KitchenAid attachment. I found it just OK and quickly moved onto a Kitchenair #12 grinder. I used that for several years before moving onto a LEM #12 BigBite grinder. While the LEM is costly it's one beast of a machine. Here is a batch of steak burgers that I made recently using chuck, 45 dry aged RibEye trimmings and brisket.
Here is the LEM grinder
Chunks of chuck, brisket and RibEye ready for grinding
This is the 1st grind
And after the 2nd grind.
The meat all portioned out and made into burgers with a couple of 1lb. bundles for tacos. Most were vacuumed sealed for later eats but I did cook some for dinner.
Cooked and ready to eat. YUM!!!
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Thanks, all!
This is tremendously helpful info and I'm going to give it a try after my next brisket, since now I know I need to save the fat and trimmings.
And here's to yet another example of what I most love about this forum. (Aside from the way far out OT stuff that comes in late at night or from beyond Pluto, which isn't a planet by the way ).It's a 302 thing . . . -
I seem to have nothing but bad luck with my kitchen aid grinder. I'm eyeing the grinder from Northern Tool. As soon as it goes on sale again I'll jump on it. It has great reviews.
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jtcBoynton said:When you start blending 4-5 different cuts together, the differences can be pretty subtle. Adding the cuttings off a tenderloin is a good use. I don't regularly sacrifice a nice filet to add it to hamburger - I would rather have a nice steak.
I read somewhere that the Nicaraguan version of Churrasco often uses filet sliced horizontally into long, flat quarters and then pounded to 1/4" thickness, marinated in chimichurri and grilled very hot and fast. It sounds really interesting to me, for some reason, and I think I'm going to try this this Summer, so there's one way I might like filet. -
85 percent chuck, 15 percent sirloin. I think that's Alton Brown's recipe, iirc. 85% fat is the goal, no matter what you grind. I seem to remember that Ramsey puts rib meat in his $15 burgers in Vegas... if you ever try one of those, be prepared for a mouthful that you are reluctant to swallow it tastes so good.
I like to put a dimple in the top with my thumb. Burgers expand like a football as they cook and people tend to smash them down - you lose all the fat and juices that way.
Putting a thumb sized dimple in the top gets the burger to a uniform shape as it expands under heat.
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