That stuff will make me wired.....can't sleep.  Or if I can fall asleep, crazy dreams.  I avoid it, but the crap is still in everything even though they say "no msg".  Beet extract, disodium isonate, etc.

Another one of those weird additives that people say  "no big deal" is red dye #40.  Two of my children go freakin nuts if they have candy or drink with that stuff.

glutamates are common in 'natural' foods too.

FDA: "MSG occurs naturally in ingredients such as hydrolyzed vegetable protein, autolyzed yeast, hydrolyzed yeast, yeast extract, soy extracts, and protein isolate, as well as in tomatoes and cheeses"

it's a lot like avoiding nitrates because of the general feeling they are bad for you. they are in a lot of things you otherwise would pronounce as 'good for you'.  and your body NEEDS nitrate.  but what the heck.  i heard it on Dr. Oz, it must be true.

nitrates aren't bad for you.  but that doesn't change perception. if you think they are, then they are.

there's a Hunt's commercial running nowe about their tomatoes, and that they use steam to take the skins off instead of "chemicals".  CHEMICALS!!!!  holy sh!t people. chemicals!  lye, specifically.

meanwhile, everyone enjoys a pretzel or bagel without panicking. 

[soapbox dismounted]

Wait, you watch Dr Oz?

stlcharcoal said:

MSG+Red40+nitrates+fluoride+HFCS combined are still safer than those deadly VOC's I inject into every chunk of charcoal.  LOL  :P

I'll bet if you labeled your bags "Lower VOCs"* you'd have even higher demand.

The fineprint * footnote could read: "Lower than a burning fuel spill".

stlcharcoal said:

That stuff will make me wired.....can't sleep.  Or if I can fall asleep, crazy dreams.  

I think you are confusing MSG with LSD.   .  Just kiddin'

not being able to pronounce something indicates a wider problem.  not to be an ass.

if i can't understand something, i investigate it.

re the "red out of season".  if that's a reference to nitrates, it is easily explained, and harmless.  otherwise, you ought to be safe and trim off the smoke ring, because it is EXACTLY the same thing. 

there is more nitrate in your healthy spinach salad than there is in eating ten packages of hot dogs.  ...but it is a LOT easier to not investigate and learn something than it is to simply get on the popular-opinion train.

DMW said:

stlcharcoal said:

MSG+Red40+nitrates+fluoride+HFCS combined are still safer than those deadly VOC's I inject into every chunk of charcoal.  LOL  :P

I'll bet if you labeled your bags "Lower VOCs"* you'd have even higher demand.

The fineprint * footnote could read: "Lower than a burning fuel spill".

"Organic, Cage-free, Dolphin-friendly VOC's" is going through the focus group right now.

And we're certified and approved by the Global Organization of Volatile Organic Compound United Research Study & Environmental Love Federation (GOVOCURSELF).  :P

chinese ribs and pork are always in season

This thread is in my wheelhouse.  MSG is a common migraine trigger.  Wilma has that problem, so we avoid it.  It does occur naturally.  It's in mushrooms which explains their umamlness (new word I'm copyrighting).  Have you ever heard of a " Chinese food headache"?  MSG.

We read labels because that crap is everywhere.  You'll find it on labels as msg, monosodium glutamate or most often cleverly disguised as "natural flavors".

To say it's harmless is false.  You are either telling a lie or don't know what you're talking about.

Fred19Flintstone said:

This thread is in my wheelhouse.  MSG is a common migraine trigger.  Wilma has that problem, so we avoid it.  It does occur naturally.  It's in mushrooms which explains their umamlness (new word I'm copyrighting).  Have you ever heard of a " Chinese food headache"?  MSG.

We read labels because that crap is everywhere.  You'll find it on labels as msg, monosodium glutamate or most often cleverly disguised as "natural flavors".

To say it's harmless is false.  You are either telling a lie or don't know what you're talking about.

If you suffer from MSG induced migraines, it certainly isn't harmless. If you don't however?

there is oxygen everywhere it seems.  too much of it really gives me a headache. i have to watch out for that, because even though it's naturally occurring and necessary for life. oxygen toxicity IS a thing, and so i have a vague suspicion i am allergic to it, despite never being tested and that no studies have ever supported my thinking. 

i prefer natural oxygen.  the synthetic man-made kind is bad for you.  natural chemicals are better than the exact same thing only man made, everyone knows that. 

also, anyone who disagrees with me just has never experienced it like i have, and i know what i am talking about and they don't.  one time i was breathing too deeply, and that means i had too much oxygen.  later that night i couldn't sleep.  boom: oxygen toxicity like you read about (prove me wrong).

my wife also told me this, because her friend had it once, and although she might not be right, i agree with whatever she says because it is easier than actually learning anything and discovering the reality.

disagreeing with me proves i am right, and that you are just being a contrarian.

(damn, this makes life SOOOO much easier)


 

Darby_Crenshaw said:

there is oxygen everywhere it seems.  too much of it really gives me a headache. i have to watch out for that, because even though it's naturally occurring and necessary for life. oxygen toxicity IS a thing, and so i have a vague suspicion i am allergic to it, despite never being tested and that no studies have ever supported my thinking. 

i prefer natural oxygen.  the synthetic man-made kind is bad for you.  natural chemicals are better than the exact same thing only man made, everyone knows that. 

also, anyone who disagrees with me just has never experienced it like i have, and i know what i am talking about and they don't.  one time i was breathing too deeply, and that means i had too much oxygen.  later that night i couldn't sleep.  boom: oxygen toxicity like you read about (prove me wrong).

my wife also told me this, because her friend had it once, and although she might not be right, i agree with whatever she says because it is easier than actually learning anything and discovering the reality.

disagreeing with me proves i am right, and that you are just being a contrarian.

(damn, this makes life SOOOO much easier)


 

You joke about that, but there was a few places I've seen that are "Oxygen Bars" or something like that.  There was one in STL for a while and I remember seeing one in the Venetian in Las Vegas.  They charge you big bucks to come in and sniff their scented O2.

I've always heard that the casinos pump oxygen into the ducts on the gaming floor to "increase the experience".

All I've ever experienced is how much O2 levels effect your night vision and alertness.  Flying out over the dark forests in the middle of the night, if you got a little sleeply or needed to see something, take a hit of the medical O2 and all the lights & stars in the distance would get brighter.

DMW said:

Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:

• Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
• Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
• Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
• DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
• Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
• Contributes to soil erosion.
• Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
• Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
• Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
• Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
• Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
• Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.
• Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.

Good stuff right there.  I'll be stealing that!

@DMW i have been warning of the effects of Dihydrogen Monoxide for years, but the sheeple just do not get it.  I once caught a neighbor actually offering some to my son, and believe me, we had words.

Coaches all seem to think it is some sort of performance enhancer, and we get an email from their football coaches, who will do ANYTHING to win (regardless of the effect on the kids) that they should fill their bottles with the stuff before a game.  NO THANK YOU!

i don't care what anyone says.  the government telling us that this stuff is safe means NOTHING.  it's the frigging GOVERNMENT after all.  I don't trust them.  they can put whatever they want on the FDA site, i don't care.  i know what is best for my family and kids and i am free to make up my own mind.

chemicals are bad.  full stop.  and dihydrogen monoxide has killed more people than any other chemical has.  there is no need for this stuff in schools, food, etc.

DMW said:

Fred19Flintstone said:

This thread is in my wheelhouse.  MSG is a common migraine trigger.  Wilma has that problem, so we avoid it.  It does occur naturally.  It's in mushrooms which explains their umamlness (new word I'm copyrighting).  Have you ever heard of a " Chinese food headache"?  MSG.

We read labels because that crap is everywhere.  You'll find it on labels as msg, monosodium glutamate or most often cleverly disguised as "natural flavors".

To say it's harmless is false.  You are either telling a lie or don't know what you're talking about.

If you suffer from MSG induced migraines, it certainly isn't harmless. If you don't however?

Studies of MSG have been pretty interesting over the years. Huge nocebo/placebo effects involved there.

There may well be a very small percentage of folks that exhibit some sort of intolerance to MSG just like with gluten. However, with gluten there are reliable, proven studies that show that those with Celiac Disease can be harmed by gluten. To date, there have been no studies that have clearly demonstrated any reliable, harmful physical impacts with MSG. Maybe there will be in the future - who knows.

It's really hard to break these sort if issues down into real vs. imagined impacts. Mass hysteria is a very real thing. I blame Dr. Oz.