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  • A great piece of advice to a future egghead would be to get the AR and not spend the money on the plate setter. I never use my plate setter anymore. Had I known about Tom and the CGS prior, I would not have bought half my eggcessories from the dealer. Live and learn I guess.



    "Entrepreneurs are simply those who understand that there is little difference between obstacle and opportunity and are able to turn both to their advantage."

  • robnybbqrobnybbq Posts: 1,615
    A great piece of advice to a future egghead would be to get the AR and not spend the money on the plate setter. I never use my plate setter anymore. Had I known about Tom and the CGS prior, I would not have bought half my eggcessories from the dealer. Live and learn I guess.
    INDEED!  Anyone want to buy a platesetter?

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    LBGE, Adjustable Rig, Spider, High-Que grate, maverick ET-732, Thermapen,


    Garnerville, NY
  • Hey Steve,

    I know guys who cannot use a screw driver properly and they pay through the nose for everything they need fixed.  I don't mind paying for products as long as they are reasonably priced.  The Adjustable Rig is a good example.  This is an item that is easily manufactured with common materials.  The cost for a LBGE AR is $128.00.  The people selling them are just plain greedy.  If they charged $60-75 it would be a fair price and they would still make money.  I will guarantee you that the profit on that item is almost $100.00.  That kind of stuff just torques my bolts.  The Egg itself is very pricey, but this is an item that cannot be easily duplicated in your garage.  Refractory materials are somewhat expensive, but the casting process is simple.  I am not complaining, just stating the obvious.

    Simple ingredients, amazing results!
  • Happy AR and spider owner, use it all the time. Wish I had purchased it before I bought the plat setter!
  • billyraybillyray Posts: 1,116
    I like Tom's stuff!!!!
    Felton, Ca. 2-LBGE, 1-Small and waiting on a mini
  • Mama RoneckMama Roneck Posts: 346
    edited January 2013
    "I am not complaining, just stating the obvious."

    What's obvious to me is that there are plenty of people here and elsewhere that are willing to pay for the work Tom does in designing, sourcing high-quality materials, and fabricating his products.  He complements that with superior service, which again, plenty of people are happy to pay a premium for (or at least, that's obvious to me, but I could be wrong).

    Sam, an economist might say you derive more utility from doing things yourself (or asking your brother to do it), and that you value price over other facets of the transaction like design and service.  Our great economy works on the principle that all of us make those trade-offs and decisions in all of our transactions.   I assume that in stating your own "value proposition", you didn't intend to disparage Tom or other people on this forum who are happy to pay for CGS products.  Is that correct?
    Mamaroneck
  • doubledouble Posts: 1,214
    It's on my wish list! Looking forward to working with Tom at some point.
    Lynnwood WA
  • "you didn't intend to disparage Tom or other people on this forum who are happy to pay for CGS products.  Is that correct?"

    I believe that ship sailed when he claimed "the people selling them are just plain greedy"

    Of course he meant to disparage. It's what he does.



  • Ragtop99Ragtop99 Posts: 1,268
    edited January 2013
    Sam, an economist might say you derive more utility from doing things yourself (or asking your brother to do it), and that you value price over other facets of the transaction like design and service.  Our great economy works on the principle that all of us make those trade-offs and decisions in all of our transactions.   I assume that in stating your own "value proposition", you didn't intend to disparage Tom or other people on this forum who are happy to pay for CGS products.  Is that correct?
    Or they would suggest that if Tom were making abnormal profits, other vendors would enter the market and drive prices down.  There are not a lot of barriers to entry here.

    I don't have an AR, but my Woo2 is very nicely made and fits perfectly.  Very clean welds.  The stone that came in the combo was a nice heavy stone, nicer than what I see at discount kitchen supply places. 

    I certainly applaud those that can weld and make their own.  There is a certain irony that this discussion was sparked by someone who complained about the price, yet apparently lacks the welding skills to do it himself.
    Cooking on an XL and Medium in Bethesda, MD.
  • Mighty_QuinnMighty_Quinn Posts: 1,878
    "you didn't intend to disparage Tom or other people on this forum who are happy to pay for CGS products.  Is that correct?"

    I believe that ship sailed when he claimed "the people selling them are just plain greedy"

    Of course he meant to disparage. It's what he does.



    your pizza sucks CT!! :))
  • What are you smoking?

    Simple ingredients, amazing results!
  • Hi54puttyHi54putty Posts: 1,458
    Very clever Sam. When you put it that way I don't think you are an arrogant know-it-all anymore.

    Thanks for clarifying.


  • Ragtop99 said:
    Sam, an economist might say you derive more utility from doing things yourself (or asking your brother to do it), and that you value price over other facets of the transaction like design and service.  Our great economy works on the principle that all of us make those trade-offs and decisions in all of our transactions.   I assume that in stating your own "value proposition", you didn't intend to disparage Tom or other people on this forum who are happy to pay for CGS products.  Is that correct?
    Or they would suggest that if Tom were making abnormal profits, other vendors would enter the market and drive prices down.  There are not a lot of barriers to entry here.

    I don't have an AR, but my Woo2 is very nicely made and fits perfectly.  Very clean welds.  The stone that came in the combo was a nice heavy stone, nicer than what I see at discount kitchen supply places. 

    I certainly applaud those that can weld and make their own.  There is a certain irony that this discussion was sparked by someone who complained about the price, yet apparently lacks the welding skills to do it himself.
    I don't lack the welding skills CT, I just don't have a welder.  I learned to weld 42 years ago and just because I know how things are made and what they cost doesn't make me a bad guy.  There are many capable people on the forum and I am just expressing an opinion.  If that is disparaging then I am lost.  Greed is killing our way of life in this country.  Saying someone is greedy is not at all out of line.  You can disagree without trashing my opinion, wait, maybe your opinion carries more weight.  Maybe if people don't agree with you it upsets you.  Sorry for stepping on your toes, it was not intentional.  Sometimes my ego gets out front and I may offend somebody without realizing it, however, my resume is impressive as are my skills.  I hope you are not too offended by this reply.  If you are, I apologize in advance.  Smoke a butt and relax.

    Simple ingredients, amazing results!
  • Ragtop99Ragtop99 Posts: 1,268
    Sam, you did not step on my toes.  Whether you lack the tools or the skill, the project is not a DIY, and the irony of your comments is the same.  Had your brother made the post, there would be no irony. 

    As for the economics, I do stand by that.  Have some training there.  ;)

    Cooking on an XL and Medium in Bethesda, MD.
  • Mama RoneckMama Roneck Posts: 346
    edited January 2013
    Um, I guess I stand corrected.

         I Like this quote I dislike this quote

    “What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.”

    Oscar Wilde
    Mamaroneck
  • OziEggOziEgg Posts: 48
    edited January 2013

    Hey Steve,


    I know guys who cannot use a screw driver properly and they pay through the nose for everything they need fixed.  I don't mind paying for products as long as they are reasonably priced.  The Adjustable Rig is a good example.  This is an item that is easily manufactured with common materials.  The cost for a LBGE AR is $128.00.  The people selling them are just plain greedy.  If they charged $60-75 it would be a fair price and they would still make money.  I will guarantee you that the profit on that item is almost $100.00.  That kind of stuff just torques my bolts.  The Egg itself is very pricey, but this is an item that cannot be easily duplicated in your garage.  Refractory materials are somewhat expensive, but the casting process is simple.  I am not complaining, just stating the obvious.
    I think that $128 is very reasonable for the enjoyment I will get - and I will be paying many times that for shipping.

  • James MBJames MB Posts: 349
    Royal Coachman I have a woo ring for my Med here in the UK. I had an email dialogue with them over a spider for the med too. I wouldn't be without the ability to go raised direct. For me this is enough and cost effective despite shipping to the UK. price per utilised cook is probably in pennies after about four years! If I had a large I would like the Woo / Spider combo but would wonder about the additional possibilities (and complexities) of the AR - these products didn't happen by accident, they have been desired, designed and refined by enthusiasts! Talk to them, they are amazingly open and helpful. Wouldn't be without my (med) woo!
  • Ragtop99Ragtop99 Posts: 1,268
    Um, I guess I stand corrected.

    Not sure if that was directed to me or not, but the concept of utility in choices is valid and I did not mean to imply that was wrong.  Just offering an alternative explanation that might apply when someone is suggesting that prices are sky high relative to the cost/risk.
    Cooking on an XL and Medium in Bethesda, MD.
  • The Cen-Tex SmokerThe Cen-Tex Smoker Posts: 11,809
    edited January 2013
    “What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.” Oscar Wilde......................................... perfectly said

  • BigWaderBigWader Posts: 513

    I just ordered the motherload today from Tom.  (AR - B&R combo + spider + extender + sliding D grate).  All paid & shipping to Canada (which was the part that stung for me).

    Wife questioned the total spend and yes I could have achieved raised grate/multiple layer cooks with about 8 bricks and an aftermarket grill but I watched the you tube videos of the grates in action and cooking way more food than I could fit and I immediately felt the asking price was worth it.

    I also pointed out to my wife that the entire CGS operation is in USA, with US workers which in my book counts for something too.  Nice to get something while supporting more than a Walmart employees salary in the process.

     

     

    Large BGE

     

  • "Not sure if that was directed to me or not..."

    Sorry, that was directed elsewhere in the thread.  I need to learn how to use this board!  Your point is absolutely correct and I'm sure that Tom, better than anyone, is well aware of the market clearing price for his contraptions.  And I'm also reasonably certain his pricing strategy does not involve undercutting DIYers.  An occasional sale would be nice though ;-)

    Mamaroneck
  • ccpoulin1ccpoulin1 Posts: 386

    This thread makes me laugh!  I run a pretty sizeable car and truck dealership parts department.  We keep the doors open by making a profit and taking care of our customers.  If you have the inventory and knowledge, and try to not allow a customer to buy something they don't need, you will succeed every time.  Price is not the #1 driver for most people, it is normally 3rd on the list of a customers purchasing decisions.  I have seen customers drive 50 miles away for a $3.00 savings because price was their #1purchasing decision, never considering what their time and effort are worth (and fuel they had to use). 

    If you are in a position to rip off somebody elses design because you have nothing to do and want or need to save a few bucks, go ahead.  For me, my time is more valuable than to mess with that kind of stuff. I prefer to spend my time here being amused, or learning about somebodies great cook, or at work making money!

     

    Have a great day everybody!

    "You are who you are when nobody is looking"

  • I have two Lg Eggs and use them for almost everything...Generally I cook things on the top level, but do all sorts of stuff with it for indirect cooks... Get the oblong stone and you can put it on the bottom level then a drip pan then whatever you are cooking on the top..you can take the whole thing out of the egg without making a mess.  Great for transferring cooks to platters or even taking ribs off for wrapping in foil (if you do that).   Anyway I could go on for an hour.. just get it. you will not be disappointed!!
  • GriffinGriffin Posts: 6,632
    I have no idea how to make the kinds of things Tom makes. I'm sure it would be possible to duplicate, but I couldn't do as good a job and my time is more important. No, I'd rather but a quality product from a quality guy. Thanks Tom for all you do. Keep up the good work.

    Richardson, Texas

    Griffin's Grub or you can find me on Facebook

    The Supreme Potentate, Sovereign Commander and Sultan of Wings

     

  • @tjv - I'm a new CGS customer.  About 8 weeks ago, I bought the small woo and 2 10" pizza stones.  It's a pleasure cooking with them!  For Christmas, Wilma gave me the credit card and I bought the large AR Oval Combo and spider.  I love cooking with them, too!  The quality of the metal work and the stones are top notch and worth what I paid! 

    I think any complaints (very few I'm sure) can be chalked up to the old saw "You can't please everyone all the time."  If CGS sold solid gold rigs for $20, somebody would still complain.  Don't worry about it Tom and keep doing what you're good at!

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    Flint, Michigan.  Named the most dangerous city in America by the F.B.I. three years running.

  • Mattman3969Mattman3969 Posts: 3,512
    I am new to the forum. Can someone provide a link or # for CGS?

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    Large BGE. Small BGE Henderson, Ky.
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