Lets get back on track

Richard Fl said:

Being from the old guard and wishing to share, I resent that some folks here tell me that I should not post a link from the old forum, BUT rather redo it.  10 years and over 300 posts of recipes I choose not to reinvent the wheel.

If a link to any Food Network guru or BBQ-Brethren and several other sites are not commented negatively, why are some folks anti the old guard.  lots of knowledge there.


Richard,

I don't understand the tension between the 2 boards.  They are both wells of knowledge for a newbie.  The only reason I prefer this board is the layout isn't as difficult to follow as the old board. I appreciate your post and links.





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Village Idiot said:

Imagine there's no forumsIt isn't hard to doNothing to kill or die forAnd no religion, too
Imagine all the EggheadsLiving life in peace
You, you may say I'm a dreamerBut I'm not the only oneI hope someday you will join usAnd the world will be as one

Hillbilly-Hightech said:

Richard Fl said:

Being from the old guard and wishing to share, I resent that some folks here tell me that I should not post a link from the old forum, BUT rather redo it.  10 years and over 300 posts of recipes I choose not to reinvent the wheel.

If a link to any Food Network guru or BBQ-Brethren and several other sites are not commented negatively, why are some folks anti the old guard.  lots of knowledge there.

Richard - I believe you were directing this to me, as I am one who took offense to the continued posts linking to the other forum.  As such, allow me to "egg-splain":  My intent was a nice nudging regarding what is considered very bad "internet form" (or "Netiquette" if you will) . 

The difference between linking to the other sites you gave examples for (BBQ Bretheren, Food Network, etc) is that the greeneggers site would NOT allow you to link to this site from over there.  Also, the other sites you listed are not direct competitors to this site, nor do they badmouth this site.

I understand you might have a lot of posts over there, but my point was that if you tried to do something like CONTINUALLY link to this site over at greeneggers, you would be pounced upon & virtually lynched, and quite possibly banned.  I just don't think it's proper form to do that over here, when you know you wouldn't be able to do that over there - it's almost like it's free advertisement for them or something.  If they want to remain split from this site, that's their choice, but the way I see it, choices have consequences.  Part of that means that their site won't get all the newbies who are buying new Eggs & signing up.  That is, unless folks like you continue linking to their site from here.  In fact, I recall one of the mods over there asking folks specifically NOT to link to either site from one or the other... so it's not like I'm the only one who mentioned something, when even the mod made mention of it. 

As far as copying all the data - if you're already copying the URL, all you'd have to do is just move your mouse to the body of the text & copy that - it's not really that much more involved or time consuming.  I guess the only difficulty would be if the post had pictures - but depending on how the pics are inserted, this site allows you to just click & drag the photos over & release the mouse button inside the message body window - the pics will automatically populate inside the window.  So, it's not really that much more effort.

You're correct, you're free to continue to do whatever you want, but I'd think that a little sense of fair play would be in order - as I said, it wouldn't be an issue if you were allowed to do the reciprocal over there, but you & I both know that you aren't.  So it's like they're getting all the benefits of free advertising for no effort, and not even having to extend the same courtesy of allowing linking on their site.

Thank you for your understanding in this matter, and since you're an adult & free to post whatever you want, I'm not trying to "force" you to do anything.  I just wanted to "egg-splain" how some folks see things differently.  If you don't agree, that's fine, and no need to worry about me following you around commenting that you're linking to the other site - I won't continue to "harass" you if you still choose to do what you're currently doing because I've already explained my thoughts on it - I just hope you can see that it can be viewed as disrespectful to this forum - that's all I was trying to say. 

So then, no harm, no foul, no hard feelings - and let's just agree to disagree & KEEP ON EGGIN!!

I think I messed up explaining this last year so I will try again with pics. Sorry it is so long
First make a dark turkey stock (roasted backs and necks, wings and mirepoix)

Then fry sausage onions, celery, garlic and peppers

Herbs, pick 'em. I use thyme, rosemary, sage and parsley (didn't want to sound like Art Garfunkle by saying it the other way)

Chop the herbs and more garlic

Punch holes in an aluminum pan

Make some foil balls and place in another pan

Put some stock in the pan with the foil balls

Mix sausage, dry bread, veg and herbs in, moisten with some stock and clarified butter

Place a couple of turkey wings and necks on top


Put the stuffing pan with the holes on the one with the stock and cover both pans with foil and bake for about three hours at 350*
Remove foil and cook till browned on top

Steve

Jeez HH yer a genius

From my understanding, people didn't want change. They liked the way the old forum was set up. They liked the layout and being able to use threaded view and stuff. Couldn't figure out how to respond to a certain person or comment and were getting confused.

I was never a big fan of the layout of the other forum. Seems very dated.

It did get very heated when all of that was going on. Be glad you missed it CT.

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

"If they want to remain split from this site, that's their choice, but the way I see it, choices have consequences.  Part of that means that their site won't get all the newbies who are buying new Eggs & signing up.  That is, unless folks like you continue linking to the site from here. "

HH- It goes a little deeper than that. It was before my time, but it's my understanding that site WAS eggheadforum.com  and was privately maintained and funded by loyal eggheads for many years. When BGE corporate wanted their own forum, instead of building one from the ground up, they came in and took the name. ported all the info to this site and used all their info to create this forum. That is BGE's right as it is their trademark, but they never did want to be split from the corporate forum. They WERE the forum. I understand why they are a bit sensitive to the corporate forum. Some very loyal eggheads were left feeling quite screwed over and remain jilted to this day. I prefer this forum but totally understand the way they feel about it. 

Maybe some of the OG's can chime in if I am wrong but that's the way I understand it

Hillbilly-Hightech said:

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

"If they want to remain split from this site, that's their choice, but the way I see it, choices have consequences.  Part of that means that their site won't get all the newbies who are buying new Eggs & signing up.  That is, unless folks like you continue linking to the site from here. "

HH- It goes a little deeper than that. It was before my time, but it's my understanding that site WAS eggheadforum.com  and was privately maintained and funded by loyal eggheads for many years. When BGE corporate wanted their own forum, instead of building one from the ground up, they came in and took the name. ported all the info to this site and used all their info to create this forum. That is BGE's right as it is their trademark, but they never did want to be split from the corporate forum. They WERE the forum. I understand why they are a bit sensitive to the corporate forum. Some very loyal eggheads were left feeling quite screwed over and remain jilted to this day. I prefer this forum but totally understand the way they feel about it. 

Maybe some of the OG's can chime in if I am wrong but that's the way I understand it

That's not quite right.  It was privately maintained, but it did receive some financial support from BGE corporate (albeit from what I was told, not very much).  I do not know who originally owned/paid for, etc the domain name "eggheadforum.com" or who originally set it up.  In fact, Brenda Miller, one of the original ppl instrumental in making ANY BGE related forum, is a moderator over here at this forum now (or at least involved behind the scenes in some capacity). 

Nevertheless, using the BGE name, the logos, the branding, etc are *ALL* BGE Corp intellectual property, and any private person who thinks they are "entitled" to any share of that had to find out the cold hard realities of "it's just business" - unfortunately. 

For *whatever* reason, BGE corp decided to upgrade / make a new forum (this one).  I was there on the old forum when it was rolled out.  It didn't go very well.  From a PR standpoint, BGE corp blew it, quite frankly.  They didn't do any sort of announcing, no questions asked or advice sought of the established members - it's like one day BGE corp just woke up & said "ok, here's the new site, take it or leave it."

As you can understand, that didn't sit too well w/ many folks.  In fact, at the time, I could not understand why many of the "old guard" got upset or protective over the "old site" because I just thought it was a natural progression (at the time I didn't realize the back story & history).  In fact, I thought "wow, a new site - everyone will happily start using it" (boy, was I wrong)!!

Anyway, that caused quite a rift, and some folks swore to never visit this site, as they felt slighted by BGE corp.  I'm not gonna say they should or should not feel slighted, but the end result is that they wanted to keep the "old" site up & running, and do it 100% privately & through member donations & selling ads.  As I said, that's their choice, but as such, they should not be entitled to free advertising on this site, in my OPINION. 

cazzy said:

Little Steven said:

cazzy said:

I honestly frequent the old site...a ton of information there. I just don't feel I fit in enough to post there. Why retype a receipe if you don't have to. Keep on keeping on sir!

Why would you think that man? There are still people there that are happy to help and provide accolades. Great peeps there and some good friends. IMHO the forum will fade away because all the newbs are directed here. I hope beyond hope that any anymosity will be forgotten when that happens

Hmmm, I don't know.  I kind of equate it to playing for high school football for 3 years at one school and transferring to a new school your senior year.  I just find that it was much easier to build a name for myself here than it was there and I think it's because this site has so many of us new comers.  I also kind of got lazy with posting the same thread on multiple sites (here, greeneggers & brethren).

I hated the format on greeneggers until I found the Flat View button.  After that, much more enjoyable to browse.

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

Hillbilly-Hightech said:

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

"If they want to remain split from this site, that's their choice, but the way I see it, choices have consequences.  Part of that means that their site won't get all the newbies who are buying new Eggs & signing up.  That is, unless folks like you continue linking to the site from here. "

HH- It goes a little deeper than that. It was before my time, but it's my understanding that site WAS eggheadforum.com  and was privately maintained and funded by loyal eggheads for many years. When BGE corporate wanted their own forum, instead of building one from the ground up, they came in and took the name. ported all the info to this site and used all their info to create this forum. That is BGE's right as it is their trademark, but they never did want to be split from the corporate forum. They WERE the forum. I understand why they are a bit sensitive to the corporate forum. Some very loyal eggheads were left feeling quite screwed over and remain jilted to this day. I prefer this forum but totally understand the way they feel about it. 

Maybe some of the OG's can chime in if I am wrong but that's the way I understand it

That's not quite right.  It was privately maintained, but it did receive some financial support from BGE corporate (albeit from what I was told, not very much).  I do not know who originally owned/paid for, etc the domain name "eggheadforum.com" or who originally set it up.  In fact, Brenda Miller, one of the original ppl instrumental in making ANY BGE related forum, is a moderator over here at this forum now (or at least involved behind the scenes in some capacity). 

Nevertheless, using the BGE name, the logos, the branding, etc are *ALL* BGE Corp intellectual property, and any private person who thinks they are "entitled" to any share of that had to find out the cold hard realities of "it's just business" - unfortunately. 

For *whatever* reason, BGE corp decided to upgrade / make a new forum (this one).  I was there on the old forum when it was rolled out.  It didn't go very well.  From a PR standpoint, BGE corp blew it, quite frankly.  They didn't do any sort of announcing, no questions asked or advice sought of the established members - it's like one day BGE corp just woke up & said "ok, here's the new site, take it or leave it."

As you can understand, that didn't sit too well w/ many folks.  In fact, at the time, I could not understand why many of the "old guard" got upset or protective over the "old site" because I just thought it was a natural progression (at the time I didn't realize the back story & history).  In fact, I thought "wow, a new site - everyone will happily start using it" (boy, was I wrong)!!

Anyway, that caused quite a rift, and some folks swore to never visit this site, as they felt slighted by BGE corp.  I'm not gonna say they should or should not feel slighted, but the end result is that they wanted to keep the "old" site up & running, and do it 100% privately & through member donations & selling ads.  As I said, that's their choice, but as such, they should not be entitled to free advertising on this site, in my OPINION. 

got it. Sounds like a good time. I don't mind it but that's just me.

Hillbilly-Hightech said:

cazzy said:

I didn't know you're not able to link eggheadforum posts on greeneggers.  If that truly is not acceptable, then I agree...I don't think it should be done here.

you should go over there & try it & see what happens... 8-| 

Village Idiot said:

I have a little bit different spin on it.  I think the riff came about mainly because of the format change.

The old time regulars on the other forum are a tight knit group (not saying that's good or bad).  They even refer to themselves as "family".

The old format allows people to see who has originated a thread and who has responded.  People want to reply more often when one of the family is actively participating in a thread (that was made clear by the members during the breakup).  On this forum, you only see the last person to respond unless you go into the thread.

So, the divide expanded.  Not sure when it got ugly,  but those who chose one forum started making snide remarks about the other forum, etc.  That expanded to slurs between people.

As for me, I got sideways with one of the members, and in turn, I became very unpopular with many in "the family".  I decided not to defend myself, so I joined over here.  I'm glad I did.  I do like the format of this forum better and the tendency not to have so many off-topic discussions.

The only downside is that Little Steven followed me over here like a lost puppy.  

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Little Steven said:

My life for you!  ^:)^