Man...I thoroughly enjoyed hearing about the back to basic challenge that sprinter and CW had goin. Sounds like fun, so tonight I will thaw the other half of that 8 pound sirloin tip I have, and attempt to make this inexpensive cut into something magic with no thermometers, or other gadgets. Just a big piece of meat, and a quart of Stubb's Marinade for beef. The label says it is a good mop too, so what the heck. I just might be performin some janitorial duties on that sucker.[p]What other limitations did you guys impose on yourselves other that no thermometers???[p]Thanks.